Islam extremists..JW extremism!

by Gill 7 Replies latest jw friends

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  Gill

  I was watching a BBC programme on Islamic extremists and their attitudes that brought back deja vu memories of JW attitudes to me last night.

  For a fact I know, that JWs do NOT condone in their teaching violence against others, but they do believe,as do the Islamic extremists that those not believing in Jehovah, (Allah) will be slaughtered by God in due time.

  What I found interesting was the attitude that they did not have to obey laws in the country they lived in that went against their belief system rules. Their religious laws came first not the law of the land, to which they owed NO loyalty at all.

  One extremist also informed us that since we in the UK had been 'warned' by the terrorist, Bin Laden that we MUST revolt and take arms against the UK government, the fact that we, the ordinary UK folk did not jump up and do as we had been told, meant that it was open season on the UK citizens for not following his warning.

  Extremists all come out with the complete belief also that THEY and ONLY THEY THEMSELVES are the only TRUE religion which every one else must follow or DIE.

  If that in itself doesn't prove that the JWs are an extremist cult, then I don't know what else does.
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  DannyBloem

  I think it is more apporpriate to compare JW with main stream islamic beliefs.

  For a fact I know, that JWs do NOT condone in their teaching violence against others, but they do believe,as do the Islamic extremists that those not believing in Jehovah, (Allah) will be slaughtered by God in due time.

  Mainstream islamic religion believes that, not only extremists. Extremists do not believe it, they believe that they themselves must do it.

  What I found interesting was the attitude that they did not have to obey laws in the country they lived in that went against their belief system rules. Their religious laws came first not the law of the land, to which they owed NO loyalty at all.

  Mianstream islam holds the laws of allah higher then the laws of a government. Like dubs. Extremists only have NO loyality at all and do not respect any law, or recognize the legal system of the country.

  Extremists all come out with the complete belief also that THEY and ONLY THEY THEMSELVES are the only TRUE religion which every one else must follow or DIE.

  This again is a mainstream muslim thoughts that they are the only ones who have the true religion. Same as JW. Only extremists take the follow or die more directly.

  If that in itself doesn't prove that the JWs are an extremist cult, then I don't know what else does.

  JW cult is extreme in some cases, in others more relaxed. In my opinion it would be better to compare them with mainstream islam. That is already dangerous enough.

  Danny
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  logansrun

  Mind if I point something out?

  You said:

  Extremists all come out with the complete belief also that THEY and ONLY THEY THEMSELVES are the only TRUE religion which every one else must follow or DIE.

  If that in itself doesn't prove that the JWs are an extremist cult, then I don't know what else does.

  Of course, if there really is a Jehovah (as interpreted by the JWs) or an Allah (as interpreted by Muslim fundamentalists) then those groups are actually not extremist; indeed, they are acting logically in their dogmatism!

  Now, I don't believe that for a minute. But it is wrong to conclude automatically that just because a person or group thinks they alone have the "truth" that they are "extremist" and wrong. The real issue is how they go about proving that they truly do have "the truth." And that is what the JWs or anyone else cannot prove. For that reason they are extremists.

  In other words, it's not really the logic or the conclusions of the JWs that is necessarily wrong. It's their premises. If I accepted the premises, for instance, that there really is a Jehovah, that the Bible is to be read rather literally, and that God is working through the GB then it would make sense to give up my worldly aspirations, pioneer, warn others of impending doom, etc. But the premises the JWs are working from are not only unproveable there is good reason to believe they are wrong. It is the JWs faulty premises which make them extremist, not necessarily the logic that flows from those premises or their "strange" behavior.

  B.
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  The Chuckler

  Mainstream islamic religion believes that, not only extremists. Extremists do not believe it, they believe that they themselves must do it.

  This is not strictly true. Each extremeist is only a tool to be used by Allah - there is a difference.

  If a suicide bomber detonates a bomb in crowd of people, it is Allah who decides who should die - not the bomber. If it is Allahs will that no one should die, no one will, conversely, if Allah decides everyone should die then that too is Allahs will. This makes the bomber blameless and, in their eyes, not murderers but martyrs.

  I don't think cold blooded murderers cannot enter Islamic heaven.
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  DannyBloem

  This is not strictly true. Each extremeist is only a tool to be used by Allah - there is a difference.

  yes, you are true. I simplified.

  I don't think cold blooded murderers cannot enter Islamic heaven.

  Why do you think they could enter islamic heaven?
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  The Chuckler

  I don't think cold blooded murderers cannot enter Islamic heaven.

  LOL - well spotted Danny a double negative!

  I was trying to say that they do it to get to heaven and couldn't get there if they considered what they did as murder. :)
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  The Chuckler

  I don't think cold blooded murderers cannot enter Islamic heaven.

  LOL - well spotted Danny a double negative!

  I was trying to say that they do it to get to heaven and couldn't get there if they considered what they did as murder. :)
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  DannyBloem

  I was trying to say that they do it to get to heaven and couldn't get there if they considered what they did as murder. ; :)

  That is just how you look at it. Allah did worse and so did the 'christian God'. So why would they not go to heaven. The qu'ran is full with contradictions. The bible and qu'ran is full of good guys who did worse then those bombers....

  Well, if you would consider there is no heaven, that would solve a lot of problems......

  Danny