Quantum information can be negative -- Possible to know less than nothing

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  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    http://www.physorg.com/news5621.html

    August 04, 2005

    Quantum information can be negative Even the most ignorant cannot know less than nothing. After all, negative knowledge makes no sense. But, although this may be true in the everyday world we are accustomed to, it has been discovered that negative knowledge does exist in the quantum world. Small objects such as atoms, molecules and electrons behave radically different than larger objects -- they obey the laws of quantum mechanics.

    The discovery, that quantum knowledge can be negative was made by three researchers, Drs Michal Horodecki, Jonathan Oppenheim and Andreas Winter, of the Universities of Gdansk, Cambridge and Bristol. Their work was published in the leading scientific journal Nature on August 4.

    What could negative knowledge possibly mean? "If I tell it to you, you will know less," explained Dr Andreas Winter.

    Such strange situations can occur because what it means to know something is very different in the quantum world. "In the quantum world, we can know too much," added Dr Oppenheim, "and it is in these situations where one finds negative knowledge." Negative knowledge (or more precisely – ‘negative information’) turns out to be precisely the right amount to cancel the fact that we know too much.

    In the quantum world, there are things we just cannot know, no matter how clever we are. For example, we cannot know both the position and momentum of a small particle exactly. One can also have situations where someone knows more than everything. This is known as quantum ‘entanglement’, and when two people share entanglement, there can be negative information.

    While all this might appear to be very mysterious,Dr Michal Horodecki is quick to point out that the idea of negative information can be put on a rigorous scientific footing. "We can quantify information in terms of how much stuff I need to send you before you get to know something. In the case of negative quantum information, you can get to know something without me sending you any quantum particles. In fact, you will gain the potential to learn more quantum information in the future."

    Negative information is due to exotic features of quantum information theory, an exciting new area of physics which includes such phenomena as quantum teleportation and quantum computation. Classical information theory deals with subjects such as classical communication and computation. Quantum information on the other hand, replaces classical ‘bits’ by quantum ‘qubits’ which are quantum particles like electrons or atoms. While classical bits can only be in the state 0 or 1, qubits can be both in the 0 or 1 state at the same time. By understanding that quantum information can be negative, researchers hope to gain deeper insights into phenomena such as quantum teleportation and computation, as well as the very structure of the quantum world.

    Source: University of Cambridge

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Interesting.

    If chip architecture ever shrinks down to a quasi-quantum level, I could imagine viruses exploiting this "negative information" property...

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien

    so now we have something for everyone, even the creationists. he he, j/k, but not really.

    Negative information is due to exotic features of quantum information theory, an exciting new area of physics which includes such phenomena as quantum teleportation and quantum computation. Classical information theory deals with subjects such as classical communication and computation. Quantum information on the other hand, replaces classical ‘bits’ by quantum ‘qubits’ which are quantum particles like electrons or atoms. While classical bits can only be in the state 0 or 1, qubits can be both in the 0 or 1 state at the same time. By understanding that quantum information can be negative, researchers hope to gain deeper insights into phenomena such as quantum teleportation and computation, as well as the very structure of the quantum world.

    quantum computation...(drools on keyboard)

    thanks for the article, you like reading this site hey?

    TS

  • blondie
    blondie

    Possible to know less than nothing--I have met some people like that.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    thanks for the article, you like reading this site hey?

    Every day. It is part of my morning routine.

  • Mary
    Mary

    I find quantum physics absolutely fascinating, even though I'm not smart enough to ever take courses in it. What I find particularly fascinating, is that theoretical quantum physics strongly hint that there are parallel universes out there. http://www.manyuniverses.com/

    The basis of it is that there are an infinite number of universes out there where everything possible that could happen, happens. In other words, there's a universe where Hilter did win the war, a universe where the Titanic never sank on it's maiden voyage and a parallel universe where Charles Russell became a Seventh Day Adventist and never started his own religion, etc. etc.

  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem

    The multiple universes theory is more a hypothesis.
    Quantum physics does not requir it, but does allow the posibility.

    Everything that possible can happen on quantum scale does not have to mean everything that possible can happen at macroscale.
    It is hard to imagine that a different collapse of a wave function would result in Hitler winning the war.

    Danny

  • Quotes
    Quotes

    I didn't need Quantum theory to tell me this, I already knew it from experience.

    Every time I read something printed by Watch Tower Society, I am dumber as a result. WTS prints "negative information" every day, by the truckload.

    For example: GRAVITATION AND ELECTRIC ENERGY (warning, you will be dumber as a result of reading this!!)

    ~Quotes, of the "had to say it" class

  • Terry
    Terry

    I see no problem with "knowing" less than nothing.

    Let us create a way of looking at this; a model, if you will.

    Knowledge is data.

    Let us call data MONEY instead.

    Is it possible to have less than nothing in the context of MONEY?

    Yes.

    Debt creates a negative.

    If I owe one hundred dollars I have less than nothing. I have a debt of one hundred dollars.

    Now, let us go back to the problem of KNOWLEDGE.

    What you need to know IN ORDER TO KNOW is your debt.

    For example: if I ask a person who does not possess knowledge of chess to play a game of chess they will have a knowledge debt. Until that debt is paid (learning the rules and the moves of pieces, etc.) they know LESS than the nothing of a new game begun.

    Terry

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