Scholar, does 1 John 4:1 apply to you?

by OldSoul 3 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul

    Scholar,

    Given that you believe 1 John 4:1 to be an instruction related to Deuteronomy 18:20-22, I am interested to know whether 1 John 4:1 applies to everyone, including you.

    Was John recommending that only 1st Century Christians should test expressions that claim to be from an authoritative source? Or should that test be applied by everyone to any so-called authoritative expressions?

    I ask to discover whether your answer to this question supports the statements of your organization.

    Curiously,
    OldSoul

  • Hellrider
    Hellrider

    For the record:

    Deueteronomy 18,20-22

    18:20 “But if any prophet presumes to speak anything in my name that I have not authorized him to speak, or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 18:21 Now if you say to yourselves, ‘How can we tell that a message is not from the Lord ?’— 18:22 whenever a prophet speaks in my name and the prediction is not fulfilled, then I have not spoken it; the prophet has presumed to speak it, so you need not fear him.”

    See http://www.jwfiles.com/

    ...then press "large list of predictions" (if you have a whole day to kill) or "1925 and 1975 dates live in infamy" (if you just have an hour).

    Happy reading

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul
    *** w50 9/1 p. 286 Living According to Superior Knowledge ***

    "THEY
    SHALL KNOW" 14 Christendom will go on refusing to accept the knowledge of Jehovah God at the mouths and hands of his witnesses. But the awesome hour draws near when she will be made to know that these have been God’s witnesses, his "prophet among them", and that He is Jehovah and that since 1914 his King, Jesus Christ, rules in the kingdom for the new world. But being MADE to know Jehovah at that time will be no blessing to her or the rest of this world. It will mean her own destruction amid a world destruction! Because of Christendom’s willful lack of knowledge, she is opposing Jehovah’s kingdom by his Christ. She is lining herself up with all the forces of Gog of Magog for the final assault upon the visible Theocratic organization of Jehovah’s people on earth. The propaganda inspired by the demons is hurrying all her rulers blindly, madly, on to the warfront of Armageddon. (Rev. 16:14-16) Shortly, at a thieflike hour, the Supreme Warrior for truth and righteousness will make himself known to all his opposers in a language that they will understand, the language of cosmic forces that will speak destruction to them. There was never anything like it before except the great deluge of Noah’s day.

    I took your advice, Scholar. Look what I found. Now, since Jehovah's Witnesses are His prophets among us, we should use the test to see whether their inspired expressions are true. Don't you agree?

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul

    There was no change in understanding related to Jehovah's Witnesses being His prophets to this generation by 1952. What did this generation mean, according to the prophets?

    w52 9/1 pp. 542-543 Questions from ReadersQuestions from Readers

    Your publications point out that the battle of Armageddon will come in this generation, and that this generation began A.D. 1914. Scripturally, how long is a generation?--G. P., Liberia.Webster's unabridged dictionary gives, in part, this definition of generation: "The average lifetime of man, or the ordinary period of time at which one rank follows another, or father is succeeded by child; an age. A generation is usually taken to be about 33 years." But the Bible is not so specific. It gives no number of years for a generation. And in Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32, the texts mentioning the generation the question refers to, we are not to take generation as meaning the average time for one generation to be succeeded by the next, as Webster's does in its 33-year approximation; but rather more like Webster's first-quoted definition, "the average lifetime of man." Three or even four generations may be living at the same time, their lives overlapping. (Ps. 78:4; 145:4) Before the Noachian flood the life span was hundreds of years. Down through the centuries since, it has varied, and even now is different in different countries. The Bible does speak of a man's days as being threescore and ten or fourscore years; but it assigns no specific number of years to a generation.--Ps. 90:10.

    Even if it did, we could not calculate from such a figure the date of Armageddon, for the texts here under discussion do not say God's battle comes right at the end of this generation, but before its end. To try to say how many years before its end would be speculative. The texts merely set a limit that is sufficiently definite for all present practical purposes. Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. All the events will come within the span of a generation. There are hundreds of millions of persons living now that were living in 1914, and many millions of these persons could yet live a score or more years. Just when the lives of the majority of them will be cut short by Armageddon we cannot say.

    So, what do the prophets say, Scholar? Why did this definition of generation, held to be correct until 1984 at least, change without warning or explanation in 1995?

    Was this Truth or a lie? Oddly, they state that the definition of generation would be "the average lifetime of man." But they also state, "But the Bible is not so specific. It gives no number of years for a generation."

    What do they think Psalm 90:10 was talking about? A number of years for a generation. 70 or 80 years, to be exact. If someone was BORN in 1914, they are over 90 now. That generation is dead.

    But the texts are clear, as the prophets stated until 1984, "the texts here under discussion do not say God's battle comes right at the end of this generation, but before its end. To try to say how many years before its end would be speculative. The texts merely set a limit that is sufficiently definite for all present practical purposes. Some persons living A.D. 1914 when the series of foretold events began will also be living when the series ends with Armageddon. All the events will come within the span of a generation." Only a tiny fragment remains.

    "Just when the lives of the majority of them will be cut short by Armageddon we cannot say." I can say, authoritatively, as of September 1, 2005 the majority of those who saw 1914 that were still alive in 1952

    Did the prophecy prove false, or was it the prophets?

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