Afraid to be happy--------------------

by vitty 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • vitty
    vitty

    ....................At the moment lifes great, I feel really happy for the first time in a long time, Im in a beautiful area, with fantastic views, Weve just bought a beautiful house and the relief of not being in the borg anymore, well I dont think things could be better.

    BUT im quite nervous, why do I feel things will go wrong, im not talking about the material stuff, but somewhere deep down I feel in the end you have to pay when your happy. I have always felt like this. Maybe I dont feel I quite deserve it, espacially when terrible things are happening to other ppl. And i dont mean just the recent disaster.

    Some ppl are born in horrible conditions, and then live terrible lives just to die.

    Does anyone else feel like this ?

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    I used to think that, at least briefly after leaving the borg.

    Later when I was a social worker I encountered a lot of people who had fatalistic thinking, worried when things were going well because they feared being punished.

    What I think is at the root of it is belief in either fate or supernatural beings (god etc.) playing a role in our lives. I no longer believe in either and am free of fatalistic thoughts. I believe we are in control of much of what happens in our lives, but certainly not all.

    "Luck" is like a bell curve....a few are extremely fortunate, a few extremely unfortunate, most have a fairly even mix of misfortune and fortune.

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier


    Vitty. I understand. If you are "happy" it means letting go of things that are comfortable, no matter how ugly they are; they're yours and comfy because you moulded them that way. edited to add: Your issues are yours. Someone elses pain is theirs, not yours, to learn to deal with. You can take on the world, but you can't change it. Only yourself.

    Also, when quitting drinking, things take on a different perspective. It took me a long time to figure out humour when I got sober. I had a difficult time judging if something was funny or not. I took everything so damned seriously for a while. Then I learned of "Rule 62: Don't take yourself so seriously".

    You're doing great!

    So, what are your plans for THIS weekend? Friday is right around the corner.

  • bebu
    bebu

    I can relate to that kind of feeling! It's a hard thing to work out. It's false guilt, I think.

    Vit, you could think about how what you have can be multiplied out somehow. That is so satisfying to me, whenever that happens, and makes everything I have even better. The endpoint really isn't me; the goodness can pass along. (BTW, I don't do this to assuage false guilt. But I note that guilt has a harder time showing up...)

    bebu

  • poppers
    poppers

    If you are looking for unconditional happiness it will never be found in outward circumstances or derived from mental viewpoints; circumstances change and with them so will viewpoints. The mind will always search for 'something more' as soon as a circumstance presents itself which is satisfactory to any mental viewpoint - the happiness will be fleeting and then you will wonder why, and so a new condition will be created in the hope that in meeting it happiness will be found.

    The key in finding lasting and unconditional happiness lies in discovering what one actually is at the core of one's being - in other words, in discovering 'what am I?' Afterall, events and circumstances seem to be happening to 'me' so it is essential to find out just who this 'me' is that things seem to be happening to, but hardly anyone bothers to ask that question because the answer seems to be so obvious: why, I'm me of course. But are you? Have you actually investigated to find out just what you really are?

    When searched for, the 'me' cannot be found as a separate and distinct entity. People will find ideas about who/what they think they are, but those are only ideas. Can you be an idea? Surely you can sense that you exist without any idea arising can't you? Without resorting to the mind there is a definite and distinct knowing that you are, and it is in this 'knowingness' that unconditional happiness can be found. This 'knowingess' is what you actually are, and not any idea which arises within that knowingess. Without this 'knowingness' nothing could be known, including ideas of who you think you are.

    Other names for this knowingness are consciousness, awareness, being, presence, spaciousness, and all kinds of other labels. But these words are labels only - the key is in discovering directly what these words point to and then live your life from there, rather than from the mental image that one has created for oneself. Then fear evaporates spontaneously since fear is just a projection created by the mind. What you are is beyond the mind and any projections it can create or memories that it can dredge up.

    Remain present to what is, right now in this very moment. When the mind pulls you into thinking about what is return to the present moment - it is in this present moment, right here right not that unconditional happiness resides - simply see it. You as consciousness remain always, untouched - full and complete. There is nothing that needs to be done to achieve it because it already is here, but it goes unnoticed because the mind habitually retreats into thinking about the past or projecting into the future. Instead of following the mind's activity return to the present moment whenever you catch yourself thinking about what is. Without the mind's intereference, you as consciousness become more easily seen, and in this seeing happiness will be found that is lasting and unconditional.

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    and as dubs, we were not taught to be happy for anything other than preaching about the kingdom..

    we were made to feel guilty if we were seeking our own happiness, as if it were a sin!!

    but it isn't!!

    I just think it takes a while to recondition ourselves..

    does that make sense??

  • zen nudist
    zen nudist

    if you think of the universe as a zero sum game...for every happiness there is some suffering to acheive it.... if you dont want anything you dont need to suffer to get it...but if you want something you have to put some sort of effort and expectation and anticipation into it which causes some suffering, which is why buddhists recommend the middle path, staying between the extremes as much as possible to avoid the deep lows associated with the great highs.... as is often the case a very great high is very short lived and takes a lot of lows spread out to acheive it, and often feels like we were cheated.... like waiting in line for 2 hours for a 1 minute thrill ride at disney (^_^)

  • vitty
    vitty

    Ive just recently realized ( I know it took me a while to catch on )LOL that this is my life now, im living my life now. The only future I have is what I make it, to a certain degree.

    Ive spent so long waiting for my life to begin, waiting for the new system, thats when Id do all the things I wanted to do. Live in the house I wanted to live in, and so on but now here it is my life and its great ! Im doing all the things I wanted to do now, today.

    We got told for so long that the world is terrible, and it is in many ways, that I think I feel guilty for being satisfied and happy in this system and that the happiness wont last.

    I know its not rational or realistic but ill just have to work on it.

    Brenda, it was a bit hard today but im gearing myself up for tomorrow ! im not beat yet

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