May I 'share' with you...

by AGuest 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    A post from elsewhere in 'cyberspace'...

    Dearest [blank]... may you have peace!

    If ANYONE is getting 'sick' from partaking, it is the result of a 'bruised' conscience, which conscience has been bruised NOT by such one 'unworthily partaking'... but by the perpetuated LIE that all should not be doing so. If you will, review the words of my Lord at John 6:48-56... and notice the word:

    "anyone" in verse 50
    "anyone" and "live forever" in verse 51
    "Unless" and "no life in yourselves" in verse 53
    "has everlasting life" and "I shall resurrect him" in verse 54; and
    "remains in union with me" in verse 56.

    There are those whose teachings would SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS, by convincing some to DISOBEY the Christ... and fail to LISTEN to him... and obey his commandments. What commandments?

    "KEEP doing this, in remembrance of me."

    Who should be doing it? A 'little flock"? Let me ask you, wasn't such 'little flock' to become ONE flock with the 'other sheep'? Indeed they were... JUST LIKE... the 'vast mixed company' who left Egypt WITH Israel, but were NOT Israel... beCAME Israel by means of:

    Celebrating the Passover and EATING the Passover Lamb WITH Israel;
    Crossing the Red Sea (symbolized by water baptism) WITH Israel
    Becoming circumcised in the flesh WITH Israel;
    Entering intot the Law Covenant at Mt. Sinai, WITH Israel;
    Being sprinkled with the blood of the Law Covenant WITH Israel;
    Accepting the provisions of the Law Covenant, including the priesthood WITH Israel; and thus,
    Being allowed to worship in the Temple WITH Israel (the Courtyard of the Gentiles).

    Such ones were NOT excluded from ANY part or feature of the Law Covenant; how then, are they precluded from the NEW Covenant... which is a BETTER Covenant... and open to ALL... INCLUDING the 'nations'? Indeed, did not Paul(?) say:

    ". . . that our forefathers were ALL under the cloud
    and ALL passed through the sea, and ALL got baptized
    into Moses by means of the cloud and of the sea...
    and ALL ate the SAME spiritual food and drank the SAME
    spiritual drink. For they USED to drink from the
    spiritual rock-mass that followed them... and that
    rock-mass... WAS... the Christ."

    1 Corinthians 10:1-4


    At the time that Paul(?) spoke about eating and drinking unworthily, ALL partook. So, he was NOT saying that there were some who shouldn't. No, he was speaking about WHY they partook, that if they did not 'discern' that such was the BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST... rather than simply mere bread and wine... they would be eating and drinking 'unworthily'. Why were his words necessary? Because some would arrive already full, having eating at home, and thus saw no need to 'eat and drink' again... because they were full and even alread drunk. And others would not have eaten a meal, and so when they got there, tried to eat and drink it ALL... so that there was none left for late arrivers. They didn't understand... DISCERN... the true PURPOSE and REPRESENTATION of the bread and wine.

    He also admonished them to 'scrutinize' themselves... NOT to discern whether they should or should not eat and drink (for ALL should...), but because IF they ate and drank with 'leaven'... hatred and hypocrisy... in their hearts, by means of having 'something against another', particularly a brother... they were 'eating and drinking judgment'... against themselves! How so? God is an examiner of HEARTS... not of flesh. He sees what is on the INSIDE of a man; not the outside. In eating and drinking, we are 'approaching before the altar of God'... to partake of a 'sacrifice'... the Lamb. IF we make such approach 'unclean'... that is 'dirty in our hearts'... we then PROFANE that sacrifice... and have no 'covering'. Thus, our hatred and hypocrisy... our JUDGMENT against our 'brother'... will come to be upon us. For with the same 'judgment' that WE are judging... we will BE 'judged'.

    Paul(?) was trying to admonish those present... and us today... to 'cleanse our hands... and purify our hearts'... which is what ALL who approach the altar of God... must do... BEFORE approaching. The Levite priests literally had to wash; however, since the NEW Covenant is one with regard to the SPIRIT, versus the OLD one which was in regard to the FLESH... it is our SPIRITS... our HEARTS... that must be 'cleansed'.

    The ones who are experiencing sick feelings because of partaking, are doing so because of an unclean conscience... either because their hearts aren't 'clean'... or because their consciences have been 'damaged'... by 'false christs', who have come into the world to 'mislead, if possible, EVEN the chosen ones.' ALL of mankind have the opporunity to 'hear' the invitation... and accept... and be 'chosen'. What is that invitation? Just as you heard, it is of the Spirit AND the Bride, which say:

    "COME! Take 'life's water'... free!"

    This invitation... to freely partake of 'life's water'... HOLY SPIRIT... is extended to ALL who 'wish' it, who are 'thirsting' for it... and who 'hear'. Not ALL will receive it, though. For many are invited; few are chosen. Why is that? Because not all who 'hear'... and even 'get the SENSE of it, build their 'houses' on the rock-mass that IS Christ, the Foundation Cornerstone, and the Apostles, the Foundation... and their faith. WE... are a 'building under construction' ON that foundation and its cornerstone. Some, however, instead build their houses upon the SAND... and are as my Lord stated, 'seeds' that plant themselves in rocky soil, or get blown away, or eaten. It is the 'fine soil', however... FAITH... in which we must 'plant' ourselves.

    Thus, to those who 'hear' what the Spirit and the Bride say to the congregation:

    KISS the Son! Eat his flesh and drink his blood... in FAITH... that 'seasons of refreshment' may come to be upon you from the person of my Father, JAH OF ARMIES... and His Son, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. Drink from HIS 'cistern'... and from none other... and that 'water'... holy spirit... WILL 'become like a fountain IN you... bubbling up... to impart everlasting life'.

    John 7:37, 38

    EAT... and become satisfied... DRINK... and become quenched!

    May the undeserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, JAH OF ARMIES (Psalm 68:4) and the peace of His Christ, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH (Jah Saves; Chosen/Anointed of Jah), come to be upon you... to time indefinite... if indeed you so 'wish' it and are 'thirsting' for it.

    Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and all those that 'go with' Israel, by means of a TRUE anointing with holy spirit... and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

    In addition, kes152 stated:

    Greetings, [blank]

    May you have peace in Christ Jesus!

    I found your statement of 'judgement' interesting when you cited 1 Corinthians 11:23-32. I noticed that when reviewing the context of what Paul was saying, it wasn't about "non-anointed" eating and drinking.

    In 1 Corinthians 11:20 He says it is not possible for them to eat the 'meal' when they come together. The reason is because when they did come together, ones would greedily consume all the bread and get drunk off the wine. (verse 21, 22).

    Then he speaks of how he recieved by 'direct revelation' what our Lord did respecting the memorial of him, by means of the unleavened bread and wine. (Paul didn't find out through scriptures or the 12, but by holy spirit). Then in 27 he says those who eat and drink unworthily (such as they have BEEN doing) will be guilty. If they "approve themselves" (not by the elders) and "come clean" in sight of the Lord by scrutiny, they may eat. By doing this they would not disrespect the Lord by greedily consuming the bread and wine.

    Now in the event that one "eats and drinks judgement," what happens? In verse 32 Paul says that IF we eat and drink judgement, we will be "disciplined" by the Lord.* One thing to note is that ones who get "disciplined" by the Lord are recognized as 'sons of God." (Hebrews 12:7, 8 10). If then we are 'sons' we are ALSO "heirs indeed of God, joint heirs with Christ." (Romans 8:17). So the "issue" was NOT non-anointed ones partaking and thus eating and drinking judgement, but those who DID partake, were not respecting of the 'meal' when partaking. They were greedily eating and drinking and despising one another. Hence when they did come together, it was for "judgement" and NOT to glorify Jesus and Jehovah.

    That is why Paul said that those who get "judged," are judged so that they are NOT condemened with the world. Eating and drinking judgement does NOT "condemn" you (1 Cor. 11:32). And the discipline you recieve after eating and drinking, confirms you are a 'son,' for those who are not 'sons' are NOT disciplined by Jah.

    Hebrews 12:8

    Peace to you,
    Aaron

    So, for that are 'interested'... and 'hear'... or 'wish' to hear... what the Spirit says to the congregation, we invite you:

    "COME! Take 'life's water'... FREE!"

    Peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ, servant to the Household of God, Israel, and all those that 'go with' them, as well as to ALL who everywhere call on the name of the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, known to many of you as "Jesus Christ."

  • Flip
    Flip
    So, for that are 'interested'... and 'hear'... or 'wish' to hear... what the Spirit says to the congregation, we invite you;

    "COME! Take 'life's water'... FREE!".

    read the small print...(But the disposable paper cup you need to drink 'life's water' with, is 25 cents each and the price will fluctate based on the current inflation rate.)

    However as far as the WTB&TS is concerned, we expect a cash 'donation', fifty two weeks a year, every year during your tenure as a Jehovah's Witness, for every magazine or book you take from us to 'distribute'.

    ...oh...and on your way out, stop at the Planned Giving Desk for our free brochure.

    After all, where you'll be going you won't need your money but interest rates are falling and our 'religious Corporation' needs to buy more real estate NOW.

    Flip

  • Francois
    Francois

    Words. And more words.

    And then there are these words "love the lord your god with a whole soul, and love your neighbor as your self" and that is the entire law.

    Who gives a rat's ass about all those other words, loaded with complex concepts, and types, and classes, and anti-types, and more bullshit than you can shake a stick at? Especially all the bullshit about how you should ignore all that "love" stuff and get into some organizational hatred, and especially some of that good ol' down home lying?

    Jesus, the master, is no more your lord than I'm a box of rocks. You can't follow two simple commands without making a total mess out of it. I'll bet you could fuck up a one car parade. And just because you keep mouthing empty and meaningless phrases like "my lord" this and "my lord" that, and "my lord" the other goddamn thing doesn't make you a follower. Following the simple commands would, and it IS an easy yoke, if only you'd knock off taking a nice, simple concept and attempting to turn it into the Roman Curia.

    Perhaps if you'd take a warm shower until it all passes...

    Franc

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Flip... er?

    Frank... {SIGH}... nevermind.

    May you both have peace.

    SJ

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Considering what has been said on this db lately, is this "may I 'share' with you" just more thinly vieled lewdness? Is this directed at Farkel? Not that there is anything wrong with two consenting adults doing what comes natural (take that Duns).

    My biggest fear is that Joelbear is going to start a topic called "may I 'share' with you?" and I'm going to open it and there is going to be quick loading pictures and I'm going to see something no animal should ever see and I'm going to be nauseous but then I am going to start having weird dreams that make me feel icky about myself when I wake up but I am going to keep having them even sometimes when I am awake and I am going to start liking having these dreams about yardif and duns making out naked in bed and I am going to start projecting that fred hall is there and all the lusty noise only serves to make me more excited as I make use of the red velvet couch with Ginny. And Riz. And <yikes> Shelby!

    Jesus Shelby! You have to stop with the lewd suggestions!!

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Hmmmmm...(?) Did I miss something?

  • Winston
    Winston

    Shelby,

    I just skimmed your rather long post and thank you for it even though I didn't read it thorougly.

    So If a person does't decern the body and partakes he is guilty.

    Can the body be two things?

    1) the body that Jesus sacrificed.

    2)And the body of Annointed Christians of which Christ is the head.

    So if a person were to hate or not love his brother he would not be decerning both.

    The Never Ending Search For Truth

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