Looking for some advice....

by roro 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • roro
    roro

    Hello all. I'm looking for some thoughts/advice regarding this conversation my sister and I had via Instant Messenger. (SEE BELOW- names have been removed) I have been out of things for a while but I still don't feel very comfortable giving advice as everyone is different. I have tried to avoid being DF'd because of my family. I realize that it may happen some day (or very soon if my Dad chooses to talk to the rest of the elders about the conversation we had the other day) but my thinking is if you can avoid it and still live your life why try and make it happen. I'm very interested in hearing your opinions.

    Sincerly,

    Roro

    my sister: You still there?
    My sister: Oh no. STILL BE THERE!!
    roro: Im here!
    my sister : Oh good.
    My sister : Phew.
    My sister : Sorry about that.
    roro: heh heh
    my sister: Anywho, it is clear to me that mom has just been holding in all those feelings about me waiting to unleash them.
    My sister: It's like just because I'm not involved with the truth my entire character is suddenly in question and I'm capable of any evil.
    My sister: I can see that she is completely frustrated with me and all my efforts to go to the meeting and everything just to appease her are for nothing and I'm really thinking of saying the hell with it for now.
    Roro: when Mom wants to help you with things you need to say to say no because right now Mom is very involved in your life helping you all the time
    My sister: I realize that now.
    My sister: I'm not going to let mom help me with anything else. I know that she does it out of love but she also does it to try to control me and make me do what she wants.
    roro: The thing with the meetings and the 'truth' is that whatever you do it will never be enough. If you go to some meetings they want you to go to more. If you go to all the meetings you have to go in service. If you go to meetings and svc you have to pioneer, etc.
    roro: you need to rely on mom a lot less. Dont drop (your daughter) off as often. Even if it means missing out on some parties or going out etc
    My sister: Ro, I just don't know if I can do it anymore.
    My sister: I mean, I am totally leading a double life and it's exhausting. The biggest thing is my friends that are disfellowshipped. Practically everyone I hang around with is disfellowshipped or worldly and I feel like I have to sneak around all the time.
    roro: Yeah sneaking around stinks.
    My sister: I guess what I'm saying is that I'm thinking about just going to the elders and telling them I am associating with disfellowshipped people.
    roro: I dont think they need to know your business.
    My sister: I'm gonna get caught eventually anyway.
    roro: Yeah and if that happens ask if they have 2 witnesses if they do so be it. If not tell them to prove it. You see I dont think they should be able to control your life. If it happens it happens but dont go to them and confess anything I think that would be a mistake
    My sister: You think?
    roro: Live your life and if they choose to DF you so be it.
    My sister: Ugh. I don't know.
    My sister: It's just so frustrating.
    roro: I just dont think you should go to them.
    My sister: I mean, with (my daughter) and everything, too, because if (DF’d friend) or (DF’d friend) or (DF’d friend) or someone stops by and then I'm so worried that (My daughter) going to say something about it to someone and I'm going to have to hear about it.
    roro: If anything do like (DF’d friend) did. Just cut yourself off from them and if they decide to do something eventually so be it.
    My sister: That's true.
    My sister: I just can't take living like this anymore.
    My sister: I'm so stressed out ALL THE TIME.
    roro: Just remember eventually you will have a conversation with dad (hes an elder)
    My sister: Meaning?
    roro: Dad isnt easy to talk too when it comes to this kind of thing. He knows all the tricks. I just had a long talk with him on a variety of subjects regarding the religion. Prepare yourself, call me and I will do my best to help you. He believes everything so completely that the religion and what they teach are the only reality to him.
    My sister: I know.
    My sister: I feel so awful because I don't want to hurt mom and dad but I know I'm not going to turn my back on my friends. I don't agree with it.
    roro: Just live your life if they chose to DF you so be it. At least you will be able to say to Mom that it was not your decision it was theirs
    roro: I don't want to hurt mom and dad either but theres comes a point when you have to live your own life for better or for worse and live with the consequences of your own decisions good or bad.
    My sister: I agree. That's the point that I'm at.
    My sister: Speaking of which,
    My sister: (DF’d friend) just stopped by here so I kinda have to go right now.
    My sister: I'll not talk to them though if you don't think that's the right thing to do.
    My sister: I really need to talk to you about this on the phone.
    roro: OK tell him I said hello. Hang in there. I love you. Be kind and respectful to Mom and Dad they love you very much. But you still have to do what you think is right.
    roro: Give me a call later or tomorrow.
    My sister: Okay. I love you.

  • think41self
    think41self

    Hey Roro,

    Looks like you gave her some excellent advice! I don't know that I could add anything to it.

    Your suggesting that she stop letting your mom have so much control over her life is the best all around. Your sister is just now starting to feel what it's like to want to make her own decisions, and that is a scary place when you're not used to it.

    You are a kind and supportive brother. Keep being there for her, and it will all work out. She may choose to work it out differently than you...many people choose to get df'd because they need the finality of it to get on with their lives. I understand your reasoning on not letting the borg control your life too. That is a wise course. Tell your sis she is welcome to visit the board for moral support anytime. Also, when we meet up, she is welcome to come too!

    Tracy

  • zev
    zev

    roro, edit your post, you slipped up and your sisters name appears in there.

    -Zev
    -August 8th, 2001 - The day the lambs ROARED

  • Not Perfect
    Not Perfect

    Hi Roro,

    Thanks for letting us hear into your personal life. I know that all of this can be quite trying, but parents have to let go of their kids and kids have to let go of their parents. Unfortunately, all of this matter-of-fact life, has been complicated by being in a cult.

    I don't know how old you are, or what your sisters situation really is, but she knows what she is doing. She knows who her true friends are. She also knows what the outcome of the position that she is putting herself into will be. Although not pleasent, you will be a support to her, and so will we. (She is on the net and can come here for ? ? ? , answers.) Maybe it would make her feel better if she knew that one of the governing body was df'd for having lunch with a df'd friend?

    Peace and love to you both, Not Perfect
    df'd for the samething.

  • roro
    roro

    Thx Zev I think we are set now. It was just an IM name but you can never be too careful.

  • roro
    roro

    Thanks for the input Tracy and Not Perfect. She is my younger sister and I worry about her very much. I'm going to try and get her going on the board here and the chat. She really needs to know that there are many people out there that are going through, and have gone through, the same things she is going through.

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