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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

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  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Dan,

  Did not the thief get his guarantee to be with the Lord prior to your inference of vicarious baptism?

  You seem to want to prove that DNA has no place when it dismantles you church history. Understanding DNA is not my forte.

  Would'nt their be at least a miniscule "tie" with the Middle east DNA patterns in the Indians of the Americas.

  Ive seen the tape. These are Micro Biologist pouring over evidence that shows nothing in support of a link between Indians and the MIddleast. Nothing.

  Isnt that disturbing?

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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  And if you would like to see just how seriously I take my Bible you are going to be seriously outmatched.

  This statement proves how serious you take your Bible:

  The thief could very well have been baptized vicariously

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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Dan,

  The thief could very well have been baptized vicariously shortly after his death or have been baptized vicariously at any time since then.

  Then:

  It's the people who have to introduce extra-scriptural assumptions into their doctrine in an effort to reconcile the Bible with their doctrine .

  Please, Dan this sorta circular reasoning might work in the local suburb with young missionarys pushing this agenda. But not in a forum with people who take the Bible seriously. C'mon Dan.

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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Barry,

  LOL love your avatar. Im a big fan.

  Will you agree this is Paul asking a sorta of retotical question?

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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Dan,

  The thief could very well have been baptized vicariously shortly after his death or have been baptized vicariously at any time since then.

  Then contradict yourself here;

  It's the people who have to introduce extra-scriptural assumptions into their doctrine in an effort to reconcile the Bible with their doctrine .

  But your the one introducing "extra scriptural assumptions" not me.

  Hence, the baptisism of the thief is NOT scriptural.

  But you need it to be.

  Your doctrine is what it is; "extra scriptural".

  Thanks for the breaks.
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  108

  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Dan,

  Perhaps you could elaborate on exactly what it is that I believe, in that you obviously have a more firm grasp on my faith than I do.

  You can bet your Holy underwear I do!

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  Most hated WT publication

  by Nosferatu in

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  what is the wt publication you hated the most?

  why did you hate it?

  for me, it was probably that damn pink great teacher book.

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  ellderwho

  Gotta be, NWT .........errr New Way to Twist.

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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Dan:

  Why does the thief on the cross get a guarantee from the Lord Jesus that seals him for a place in paradise, with Jesus himself.

  You say;

  Baptism is an absolute must.......Dan; Is baptism necessary for salvation? Yes, of course.

  My question to you Dan is, when was the thief Baptised??

  Note: please use breaks in your paragraphs.

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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Dan,

  re: Thief on the cross

  What about him? Read I Corinthians 15:29.

  Paul makes it clear that baptisms were performed for the dead during his ministry, and they were valid.

  Show in scripture where Paul teaches this practice??

  15:29

  Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?

  Paul is asking a question of the church at Corinth. Many commentaries agree that this was a strange practice amongst the Corinthians. And that Paul was setting things straight there.

  To say that because of this obscure passage that occurs no where else in scripture teaches "baptism for the dead" is without merit.

  You say:

  That's why so many people these days interpret the scriptures in so any different ways; they interpret scripture to meet the needs of their doctrine, not the other way around. Baptism is an absolute must.

  Are'nt you guilty of this very thing you accuse others of???

  Your doctrine is obvisously " baptism for the dead"

  If your doctrine is correct, you will have to make an exception for the thief on the cross.

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  108

  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  ellderwho

  Dan; Is baptism necessary for salvation? Yes, of course.

  What about the thief on the cross?