hey all,.
i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).
basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.
Derek: In which case, we have no way of determining anything about such a being. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that such a being exists. Therefore, your theories prove nothing and we're right back where we started.
If you stumbled across a proof that proved that God existed would you be able to accept it. Does your predispostion allow you to entertain the thought? My point, you maybe hostile to any proof.
hey all,.
i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).
basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.
Derek:. It's certainly conceivable that there's a complex invisible creator outside our universe that is not detectable in any way nor subject to the laws of our own universe nor even laws of logic. He may be able to make something out of nothing or square a circle, but without any evidence he's no more likely than the Invisible Pink Unicorn (PBUH).This is just a conscious choice there is no God. You dont have evidence, there is no God and you certainly do not have faith, due to your slant towards logic, all your left with is logic, and that can only negate what I claim is proof.(theistic) Disclaiming what I hold asproof does not negate Gods existence.I see no reason to believe in such a being, when there is no evidence.
Since, as I said before all the facts are not known. Since you cannot know all the facts it is illogical to say there is no God. IMHO its more honest to say there is not sufficient evidence.(for God)
hey all,.
i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).
basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.
I'm simply noting that the premise is clearly not universally true.
Very well, yet all of God is not known. "universally true" cannot be known. Since all the facts are not in.
hey all,.
i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).
basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.
SNG:..... Saying that God exists outside the time and space of his creation does not free him from the logical requirment of the premise that complex things require a creator. Unless you qualify that as, "Complex things that exist within our universe require a creator." But that sounds less like a solid logical premise and more like a statement intentionally crafted to support belief in a creator, so I don't think it is as compelling
Your putting God in a box that God has created. To do this you must have some logical proof that enables you to make this assessement.
i have read that thousands of babylonian business records exist on clay tablets, and that these alone provide proof that the year 607bce is not what the watchtower claims it is.. since business is conducted on a day to day basis, these records should provide a continuous record of each babylonian kings reign.
is there a summary of the babylonian business records?
in particular, a timeline showing the number of business tables in existence corresponding to various kings and dates within a king/s reign?.
Neil,
The evidence is compelling, overwjelming, cumulative, logical, reasonable but NOT INFALLIBLE and cannot be compared to the biblical data.
Still no kings list.
i have read that thousands of babylonian business records exist on clay tablets, and that these alone provide proof that the year 607bce is not what the watchtower claims it is.. since business is conducted on a day to day basis, these records should provide a continuous record of each babylonian kings reign.
is there a summary of the babylonian business records?
in particular, a timeline showing the number of business tables in existence corresponding to various kings and dates within a king/s reign?.
Scholar: You ask about the missing twenty years. This period of twenty years is a problem for secular chronologists and to date they cannot find them. WT scholars are not disturbed by this problem because Bible chronology pays scant attention to such materials in reconstructing a useful and validated chronology
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...........where does it end with you?
You have no kings list, do you not understand that? You are an embarrassing appologist for the WT.
Recontructing a useful chronology? Useful to who? "Scant attention" with a "validated chronology" your not making sense dude.
Does the term oxy-moron ring in your skull at any point of your response?
upon arriving i ran into lots of old friends and really enjoyed seeing everyone and visiting.
they dont know that im currently struggling with doubts about the organization and they think that im the same old zealous brother.
i couldnt help but feel a sence of guilt visiting with them about our current number of publishers and how many we had pioneering ect.
kingdavid,
welcome to the forum, tell us about yourself.
hey all,.
i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).
basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.
IMO, The evolutionist is subjected to the laws(of nature) that have brought him forth, neither can he break these laws(of nature) to rise above them.
i have read that thousands of babylonian business records exist on clay tablets, and that these alone provide proof that the year 607bce is not what the watchtower claims it is.. since business is conducted on a day to day basis, these records should provide a continuous record of each babylonian kings reign.
is there a summary of the babylonian business records?
in particular, a timeline showing the number of business tables in existence corresponding to various kings and dates within a king/s reign?.
Kwin
MA in JW BS
LMAO
i have read that thousands of babylonian business records exist on clay tablets, and that these alone provide proof that the year 607bce is not what the watchtower claims it is.. since business is conducted on a day to day basis, these records should provide a continuous record of each babylonian kings reign.
is there a summary of the babylonian business records?
in particular, a timeline showing the number of business tables in existence corresponding to various kings and dates within a king/s reign?.
Alleymom, good to hear from you again.
Because the Babylonian business records are dated to day, month, and year of the reigning king, they establish the relative chronology (the lists of kings with their regnal lengths) of the neo-Babylonian empire. We know who the kings were and how long they reigned.And if you start with 539 BCE --- which the Society says is an absolute date --- and count backwards through each year of each king (as I showed in a chart in the KISS thread), you will find that the Society's chronology is too long by 20 years.
As always excellent point. Scholar has nowhere to go. His arguement has truely become laughable. At least you'd think he would try to give some sorta kings list. This has proven to be his Achilles heal.
