Posts by umbertoecho

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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

by Paul Bonanno in

jw
friends

i have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.

they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".

one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.

umbertoecho

Who's to say that a forum of people under the right banner of let's say......human rights could not attend...This is the point I am aiming at. I see many here who are willing to investigate and just do something...anything.

There is no barrier to forming an "entity" with it's genuine and well-founded concerns, coming out of such forum as this. If the WTBTS can attend on the basis of human rights, re religious freedom...What is there to stop a small or large number of people from attending as well.

There are some things that religion can no longer do, should not do...We have the same rights. We may not have the same watches and suits and some of us are women...god forbid. However, I for one am very interested in such matters as the religious freedoms that are gained versus a very very silent majority of people who are very hurt by impossible doctrines. I don't single out the WT on this. I make a broad sweep against any religion that has born in "children" who have little say in their lives.

I would insist on "ethics" in school as a course of study. I would try to maintain balance insofar as a child has the right to not be "indoctrinated" by an end of the world scenario. that breeds hopelessness.

I would not attempt to take away the right to a bible or the belief in God, but I would take away the right to force a child to attend meetings that breed a fear of the world of success of education....Surely there is some scope for a "group" who fought for human rights on this level. It is only fair is it not?

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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

by Paul Bonanno in

jw
friends

i have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.

they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".

one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.

umbertoecho

Not to be perverse, but I am happy to announce that there is a strong relationship between the OSCE and the United Nations. This is not surprising when we consider that the UN was formed October 24 st 1945. This was at the conclusion of the 2nd WW. I have no problems with the UN. I never have. I think they work with what they have and are often opposed. Nonetheless, the Charter is genuine and I for one believe in it.

My interest in the WTs attendance at the OSCE, was to show that the society found a way around the embarrassing publicity of their membership with the UN. And here we have them attending a very closely aligned organization that (of course) reports back to the UN. It would be counter productive NOT to. For, information sharing in terms of what is going on with other countries, is imperative to remaining close to what may or may not be a threat...

http://www.osce.org/networks/111477

One of OSCE's closest partners is the United Nations. Co-operation was inititated in 1992, when the participating States declared the OSCE to be "a regional arrangement in the sense of Chapter VIII of the Charter of the United Nations".

The wide-ranging text reaffirms the primacy of the United Nations Charter for maintaining international peace and security, but expresses the Council’s intention to expand cooperation, as appropriate, with relevant organizations.http://www.un.org/press/en/2013/sc11087.doc.htm

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I'm sick of...

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

i'm sick of.... ...having an elder i barely know invite himself over to my house, and bring another asshole elder with him, you know, to "see how i'm doing" f-ck them.

...having same elder with all insincerity approach me at the beeting and before inviting himself over, ask, "how are you doing?

" then when i say everything is great, go ahead and invite them selves over anyway.

umbertoecho

As people have said to me on my particularly vitriolic days.......Don't hold back umby, let us know how you really feel

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Washington Post in US: Jehovah's Witnesses Face Child Sex Abuse Investigation in Australia

by cultBgone in

it's finally hit mainstream media in the us!

let's hope some savvy investigative journalists see a pulitzer for opening up this story to cover the us and worldwide cases.. jehovahs-witnesses-face-child-sex-abuse-investigation-in-australia/2015/08/14/.

everyone who is able should hurry up and post comments on their website as the pro-jw forces have rallied and are trying to squash this as libel.

umbertoecho

Please read the "findings". There is going to be a pool of funds taken from each organization that is found guilty of coverups. Justic McClennan made this point at the beginning of this RC and asked GJackson if they would consider it. It was a loaded question. The RC may not take people to court, but how many lawyers will it make available for those who are willing to take a class action?.....Many...

Please be optimistic. I have faith in this commission I have seen some good things come from it before. I don't mean to sound hopelessly optimistic, but I do have some small knowledge of what powers it does have.

There is a lot at stake in a political sense if something is not done about these massive revalations. I remind you. This religion had been banned in the past.

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"Be Generous" caleb cartoon

by EndofMysteries in

anybody see the new cartoon?

the girl has a quarter and is going to get an ice cream but then puts it in the contribution box instead.

the gb want to make sure they guilt and suck the kids meager allowances dry as well and prep them as they grow up to keep giving!

umbertoecho

How sick, how mean, how debased. Where is the decency? Nowhere that's where.

We shoud put a cartoon up showing the kids money being re-directed to the various law suits against frauds, sex offenders.........and such...Want me to draw one?

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The new Governing Body is liberal. they are really freeminders!

by rege brazzy in

dear friends, your posts are very good, but we really think that they will change many things soon...for example.

watch tower now are feminist and they protect the gay cause.soon we will have many gay marriages in kingdom halls.you will see.that governing body is really cool.ted jaracz and john barr were the last puritans in the governing body!.

the current governing body is completely liberal, but as yet has some bethelites the old guard working, they are still holding some behaviors .... but very soon you will see ... even in my congregation is very liberal ... not here disassociates for immorality .. just for apostasy ... i fucked three sister, but the elders did not shunned me, but they only help me!

umbertoecho

Piss off

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Canadian Bethel among the secretive charities

by gone for good in

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/11/15/audit_of_charities_encounters_resistance.html.

interesting canadian information on popular charities.

regarding the "cushion" factor that mentions how many years these charities could continue to function without a single donation remember that the wt brranches download all proceeds directly to new york.. classic cult conduct in handling donated fundswith minimal transparency.

umbertoecho

Thank you for that. I will look it up.

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Royal Commission National Redress Scheme. Average of $65,000 per victim, not including psychological fees and admin costs.

by Lemonp in

the royal commission published it's redress report today.

it is a 668 page document, but it is very interesting.

all the recommendations they make are in harmony with what all other institutions will accept.

umbertoecho

Morpheus.
There will be a redress scheme. Australian will seize all WT assets owned by the society here in order to foot the bill. There may be some attempt to ship it all off to America or wherever they ship the money to.

Don't doubt for one minute that there will be no money paid out to victims of sexual abuse by the WT here in Australia. I have not been off the mark so far and I feel I am definitely on the mark now.

Not to argue with you, for that is not my aim. Civil litigation. A pool of funding, forced or whatever, will be taken from WT.

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Two JWs visited

by Listener in

i just had two female jws visit, one in their 30s and the other about 20. .

they invited me to their convention to learn about jesus, they said it is three days long but i don't need to attend every day and she highlighted one session at 11.15am where i could learn about jesus.. i said to her that i wouldn't be interested in attending the convention because i believed what a man called rutherford said about religion being a snare and a racket.

they wanted to know who this rutherford guy was and after explaining knew who i was talking about.

umbertoecho

If they do return either together or not. It may be that there is some doubt already in their heads. If they are young and weary of the endless rules and control, you never know what might have sunk in.

It is very surprising that they talked at all or listened for that matter. Personally, I think you might have planted the seedling of reason in their minds.

You never know do you?

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Who knows Natheer Salih ?

by rege brazzy in

many bro s spoken about the bethelite natheer salih as a wise iraquian jew that became jw.he worked in writting dpertmente.

somebody knows him ?

umbertoecho

Rothschild involved with the WT? Where do I find more on this please?