umbertoecho
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SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture
by EdenOne insome time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.
since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.
however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.
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umbertoecho
EdenOne. I have copied this information for later and it is all there for anyone to see to read. Thank you for this. -
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
True, true. Australia is a good port of communication and I did not consider that fully. It's interesting though, that there are only 68.000 or so JWs who are officially "in".
jookbeard. No, I didn't tell her about such monetary matters as it would cause her to shy away in terror of my demoniac insights.
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
Lurkernomore.
I wonder how long a person can delude him/her-self, when all is falling apart. An elders wife is getting ready to 'sell' the house off!! It seems incredibly cult like to me and once I thought the absolute opposite of this. There is unease here. Why; even the elders who were my constant headache have disappeared.
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
A couple have just been sent straight back to Australia from the place where they were sent to do missionary work. I'm sorry I can't remember the country right now. But. The thing is. They had missed communication between Bethel Australia and America. This caused the couple to lose their place of residence and other costs. They were not told that there was no missionary work "approved" by Head quarters in Sydney via Bethel,America. They got to where the need was greater. And got sent home again. Things are very confused here from what I can glean. -
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
For clarification. My sister and her family were moved from their kingdom hall of over thirty years of attendance. They were given some offhand reason about boundaries. This was an unusual move as they had contributed so much money and time to this hall. When they were moved, they were surprised.......shocked even.
Then the royal commission started. This meant a lot to those who had insight into my complaints. Records follow a congregant from one place to another. This was the case with my sister and her family. The more distance they could put between me and those who had done wrong............the better.
Therefore, it was a shock for her and her family to be told that the "new place of worship" was likely to go back to the old place of worship; namely........straight back to the KH that they had just left. Question marks were happening every few moments ( in her and their minds)
Why were they moved in the first place? Why are they being told to amalgamate in the next instance? What in the hell is going on?!Essentially. Money is the issue. For real estate is a viable redeemable option here in Australia. Property prices are very healthy and the RC will take intelligent note of this, due to many who have made them aware of how things work here.
There is a consolidation of assets going on. It is in order to minimise the "profits" of WTBTS here in Australia. This may mean cramping four different congregations into one usual meeting place. It seems clear to me from listening and more importantly....observing, the reactions of those who I do know. There is something going on that I sense is not to the "joy" of those long time followers of this religion. There is a resigned look in the faces of those who I have known, where once there was an arrogant look of triumph. But this is my sense. It may not be the same as others who read this forum. What I do know is this. That, there is a feeling of ....what....? Not feeling as perfect, strong, convinced..........of their place in this system of things; as once emanated from these people before. Perhaps there is a feeling of confusion as they "hope" that their God is still defending them. Not the same as being convinced. Yes!! That's it. The conviction has gone.
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
Smiddy. The local kingdom hall that she attends with her family and they are (the elders) have had to consider this "move" for it comes from Sydney and therefore.............America. Australia is small fry compared to some parts of the world. Australian "Bethel" is expendable. I have never had such an insight into into the actual fears of her religion as I had seen that day. She is a good barometer for the "ailments" that are besieging the society. -
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
rip van winkle..........She is terrified of the ARC. It is still going on here. The money is being drained out of Australia incase the RC causes legislation to " take" what is not offered freely, by the religious culprits; Money first !!!! :Honesty last. -
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
I had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up. (Yes we share one common thing. The love of animals)
Without prompting she said to me. " The society is starting to cut back here in Australia as there is not enough money"
Me: "Isn't that the logical thing to do when there is a deficit?"
She: " There is talk of our kingdom halls being sold off and four meetings being held in halls where there were two"
Me: " Are you afraid of being sent back to your old building?"
She, looking upset. So uncertain for the first time I have ever known her to be..." "No, not really, it's just that there is not enough money to cover costs"
Me: " But I do believe you believe men are the cause of this and not God?".
She avoided that one but I could see she was disturbed for the first time ever.
She is so upset and confused. The arrogant wind is not blowing her sails. She is wondering without being aware of her own doubt.
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"Don't think too much...."
by Tornintwo ina couple of middle aged jw sisters dropped round unannounced the other day, they were only being kind i suppose, after some awkward silences i voiced a couple of my issues with the religion, (the safe ones), sort of an explanation as to why i'm no longer attending, namely: everyone else will die, lack of support for young ones, mistreatment/judgementalism by prominent ones who get away with it because 'they're imperfect and we have to wait on jehovah' etc.
well, after sympathizing and telling me horror stories about awful elders and their own kids' issues in the past (how some left the truth, had bitter divorces from fellow witnesses etc) they then begged me to 'come back to jehovah', 'he misses me' apparently.
finally, the more pushy one summed it up with 'you're thinking too much, it's not good for you', 'some issues you just have to put in a drawer and forget about....'.. hmm nice reasoning sisters, theocratic school training at its finest!
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umbertoecho
I would have said........." And 'you're' not thinking enough" -
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Recent announcement on literature placements
by dbq407 ini find it interesting that the other night they announced that literature is not to be left indiscriminately.
they said to only leave literature if the householder engages you in conversation.
it used to be that they would try to get any literature into every hand of every person.
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umbertoecho
Therefore all a witness has to do in order to notch up more "time", is to go home put on a good DVD. Log onto the JW site and keep hitting replay, over and over again...... (muted of course). Or just read a good book and keep doing the replay .........