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  My RC hearing brought forward. Will be in two weeks

  by umbertoecho in

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  through this forum of wonderful freaks, i have met someone who is coming with me to my hearing.

  initially i was slated for next year, but will be attending in two weeks time.

  all is in place from travel vouchers, support, where to go ............very efficient and well done.

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  bafh Thankyou, good point and I appreciate your comment. I am wondering how I may bring this in to the "suggestions" as the RC here is looking for a reason to de- exempt. All points are most welcome. I will take them all on board.

  Thank you.
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  My RC hearing brought forward. Will be in two weeks

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  through this forum of wonderful freaks, i have met someone who is coming with me to my hearing.

  initially i was slated for next year, but will be attending in two weeks time.

  all is in place from travel vouchers, support, where to go ............very efficient and well done.

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  First of all. Through this forum of wonderful freaks, I have met someone who is coming with me to my hearing. Initially I was slated for next year, but will be attending in two weeks time. All is in place from travel vouchers, support, where to go ............very efficient and well done. Top marks to the RC.

  I know that the RC has made it plain to me, that they not only want my story. They want good suggestions as to how to prevent the problem of covering up abuse and disempowering the "authoritative bodies" from exerting overt influence in this matter.

  This issue is broader than abuse and goes to the core of JW doctrine in many ways. My first suggestion will be for them to lose tax exempt status.

  Please write your suggestions. They will be helpful.
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  SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

  by EdenOne in

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  some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

  since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

  however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

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  EdenOne. I have copied this information for later and it is all there for anyone to see to read. Thank you for this.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

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  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

  (yes we share one common thing.

  the love of animals).

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  True, true. Australia is a good port of communication and I did not consider that fully. It's interesting though, that there are only 68.000 or so JWs who are officially "in".

  jookbeard. No, I didn't tell her about such monetary matters as it would cause her to shy away in terror of my demoniac insights.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

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  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

  (yes we share one common thing.

  the love of animals).

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  Lurkernomore.

  I wonder how long a person can delude him/her-self, when all is falling apart. An elders wife is getting ready to 'sell' the house off!! It seems incredibly cult like to me and once I thought the absolute opposite of this. There is unease here. Why; even the elders who were my constant headache have disappeared.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

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  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

  (yes we share one common thing.

  the love of animals).

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  A couple have just been sent straight back to Australia from the place where they were sent to do missionary work. I'm sorry I can't remember the country right now. But. The thing is. They had missed communication between Bethel Australia and America. This caused the couple to lose their place of residence and other costs. They were not told that there was no missionary work "approved" by Head quarters in Sydney via Bethel,America. They got to where the need was greater. And got sent home again. Things are very confused here from what I can glean.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

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  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

  (yes we share one common thing.

  the love of animals).

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  For clarification. My sister and her family were moved from their kingdom hall of over thirty years of attendance. They were given some offhand reason about boundaries. This was an unusual move as they had contributed so much money and time to this hall. When they were moved, they were surprised.......shocked even.

  Then the royal commission started. This meant a lot to those who had insight into my complaints. Records follow a congregant from one place to another. This was the case with my sister and her family. The more distance they could put between me and those who had done wrong............the better.

  Therefore, it was a shock for her and her family to be told that the "new place of worship" was likely to go back to the old place of worship; namely........straight back to the KH that they had just left. Question marks were happening every few moments ( in her and their minds)
  Why were they moved in the first place? Why are they being told to amalgamate in the next instance? What in the hell is going on?!

  Essentially. Money is the issue. For real estate is a viable redeemable option here in Australia. Property prices are very healthy and the RC will take intelligent note of this, due to many who have made them aware of how things work here.

  There is a consolidation of assets going on. It is in order to minimise the "profits" of WTBTS here in Australia. This may mean cramping four different congregations into one usual meeting place. It seems clear to me from listening and more importantly....observing, the reactions of those who I do know. There is something going on that I sense is not to the "joy" of those long time followers of this religion. There is a resigned look in the faces of those who I have known, where once there was an arrogant look of triumph. But this is my sense. It may not be the same as others who read this forum. What I do know is this. That, there is a feeling of ....what....? Not feeling as perfect, strong, convinced..........of their place in this system of things; as once emanated from these people before. Perhaps there is a feeling of confusion as they "hope" that their God is still defending them. Not the same as being convinced. Yes!! That's it. The conviction has gone.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

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  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

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  the love of animals).

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  Smiddy. The local kingdom hall that she attends with her family and they are (the elders) have had to consider this "move" for it comes from Sydney and therefore.............America. Australia is small fry compared to some parts of the world. Australian "Bethel" is expendable. I have never had such an insight into into the actual fears of her religion as I had seen that day. She is a good barometer for the "ailments" that are besieging the society.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

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  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

  (yes we share one common thing.

  the love of animals).

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  rip van winkle..........She is terrified of the ARC. It is still going on here. The money is being drained out of Australia incase the RC causes legislation to " take" what is not offered freely, by the religious culprits; Money first !!!! :Honesty last.
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  JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

  by umbertoecho in

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  i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

  (yes we share one common thing.

  the love of animals).

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  I had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up. (Yes we share one common thing. The love of animals)

  Without prompting she said to me. " The society is starting to cut back here in Australia as there is not enough money"

  Me: "Isn't that the logical thing to do when there is a deficit?"

  She: " There is talk of our kingdom halls being sold off and four meetings being held in halls where there were two"

  Me: " Are you afraid of being sent back to your old building?"

  She, looking upset. So uncertain for the first time I have ever known her to be..." "No, not really, it's just that there is not enough money to cover costs"

  Me: " But I do believe you believe men are the cause of this and not God?".

  She avoided that one but I could see she was disturbed for the first time ever.

  She is so upset and confused. The arrogant wind is not blowing her sails. She is wondering without being aware of her own doubt.