Smiddy. The local kingdom hall that she attends with her family and they are (the elders) have had to consider this "move" for it comes from Sydney and therefore.............America. Australia is small fry compared to some parts of the world. Australian "Bethel" is expendable. I have never had such an insight into into the actual fears of her religion as I had seen that day. She is a good barometer for the "ailments" that are besieging the society.
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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rip van winkle..........She is terrified of the ARC. It is still going on here. The money is being drained out of Australia incase the RC causes legislation to " take" what is not offered freely, by the religious culprits; Money first !!!! :Honesty last. -
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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks
by umbertoecho ini had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.
(yes we share one common thing.
the love of animals).
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umbertoecho
I had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up. (Yes we share one common thing. The love of animals)
Without prompting she said to me. " The society is starting to cut back here in Australia as there is not enough money"
Me: "Isn't that the logical thing to do when there is a deficit?"
She: " There is talk of our kingdom halls being sold off and four meetings being held in halls where there were two"
Me: " Are you afraid of being sent back to your old building?"
She, looking upset. So uncertain for the first time I have ever known her to be..." "No, not really, it's just that there is not enough money to cover costs"
Me: " But I do believe you believe men are the cause of this and not God?".
She avoided that one but I could see she was disturbed for the first time ever.
She is so upset and confused. The arrogant wind is not blowing her sails. She is wondering without being aware of her own doubt.
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"Don't think too much...."
by Tornintwo ina couple of middle aged jw sisters dropped round unannounced the other day, they were only being kind i suppose, after some awkward silences i voiced a couple of my issues with the religion, (the safe ones), sort of an explanation as to why i'm no longer attending, namely: everyone else will die, lack of support for young ones, mistreatment/judgementalism by prominent ones who get away with it because 'they're imperfect and we have to wait on jehovah' etc.
well, after sympathizing and telling me horror stories about awful elders and their own kids' issues in the past (how some left the truth, had bitter divorces from fellow witnesses etc) they then begged me to 'come back to jehovah', 'he misses me' apparently.
finally, the more pushy one summed it up with 'you're thinking too much, it's not good for you', 'some issues you just have to put in a drawer and forget about....'.. hmm nice reasoning sisters, theocratic school training at its finest!
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Recent announcement on literature placements
by dbq407 ini find it interesting that the other night they announced that literature is not to be left indiscriminately.
they said to only leave literature if the householder engages you in conversation.
it used to be that they would try to get any literature into every hand of every person.
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Therefore all a witness has to do in order to notch up more "time", is to go home put on a good DVD. Log onto the JW site and keep hitting replay, over and over again...... (muted of course). Or just read a good book and keep doing the replay ......... -
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Were Adam and Eve the only humans created?
by heyfea inmy husband asked me a questions that kind of stumped me for a moment.
he asked, in genesis, when cain killed abel, and god, as punishment cursed him and drove him from the land, making him a restless wanderer, why did cain say to god that the punishment was too hard; that anyone who found him would kill him?
who was going to kill him?
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I thought the same thing too. I have always asked the study conductors why; in Genesis there appears to be two distinct "creations". The first lot where it's about "making man in our image, man and women he made them..............Then we move on to another description about Adam and Eve who are in Eden.
No witness is prepared to accept that if the bible is inspired by God, then it's quite possible that there are two separate creations. I have asked why god would bother repeating himself on this topic..............I have never thought Adam and Eve were the first and now I begin to wonder about the entire book
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You must be right Simon. I must be wrong.
by umbertoecho insimon.
this is your forum.
for the rc have it all wrong.. i am wrong to follow the accurate guidance of these commissioners.
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Simon. This is your forum. You started it I don't doubt you have helped many.
Eight hours of testimony is exhausting. I was told to make no contact with any legal entity. I had to register, make it completely absolutely, concrete. No one could deny the facts and in this way those who would deny would have to be incredibly inventive to twist one thing I ever said.
That included court records, hospital records, even school records. I was warned to go nowhere until I had completed a strong and evidence-based complaint. There is one more ugly session that will gut me. I will do it. I was asked not to contact or allow anyone to make an approach to me. No matter what professional credentials they claimed to have.
I am strongly urged to take legal action. Very strongly. By the RC. These people walk me out of the door and my face is so numb I can hardly see the road. I have lost everyone in my family. The RC are wise in saying "Don't do a thing until this is registered officially". I take that advice for they are employed and trained to give such advice.
But all that I am going through, must be a figment of my "unbalanced" imagination. That must be the reason I say.........Caution, be cautious...in case another woman or man is tortured by some greedy and illegitimate legal entity.
However. I must be wrong. For you say so, by challenging one who has never told anything but the actual facts. They don't suit you do they? I am now "unbalanced" and "need help". This is quite true. But it is not because I lack memory, recall, erudition born of decades of self-defense of me, my children and now.............my nephew. Yes. You must be quite accurate and denounce me. This was a good move. You win your hollow victory, Simon. Bask in it... enjoy.....
For obviously I did not notice you standing in that room with me. You are the one who covers my head as I walk into that building. You are the one who is recording every sick experience. And you must be the one who stands there and says Don't follow the advice you are given. For the RC have it all wrong.
I am wrong to follow the accurate guidance of these commissioners. Oh wow!. How many of these people have become ill from the stress of it all? The weary catch cry of "Hope she gets help and she is' Unbalanced" has hurt. Good on you Simon.Any person who falls for these greedy bastards with their shonky "Class Action Law Suits" will harm so much good that is waiting for them.
I must be unbalanced. Of course I am..............................So don't listen to one word I have spoken to my fellow Australian women. I'm too unbalanced to know the process. Ring 1800Simon.
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AUSTRALIA – Artemis Legal launches inquiry into group and class action lawsuits against Jehovah’s Witnesses
by jwleaks injehovah's witnesses - group action lawyers fighting for justice | artemis legal .
artemis legal | watchtower claims.
13 october 2015 .
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Enough said.
However. Could you give me your personal details for you have mine? Your safety is in your anonymity. Nothing to be afraid of considering you initiated this site. What's your real name Simon, email address, photo..... details please
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AUSTRALIA – Artemis Legal launches inquiry into group and class action lawsuits against Jehovah’s Witnesses
by jwleaks injehovah's witnesses - group action lawyers fighting for justice | artemis legal .
artemis legal | watchtower claims.
13 october 2015 .
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I am not asking for any personal information. You posted that people should beware because this company isn't on some official list.
Answer: Yes you were.! No matter how you tried to sweeten that up.. You wanted to know about the RCs approved list. I said you could not have it..
It now seems that you are saying there is no official list. I don't understand the concept of an official list that no one can access.
Answer: Oh that 's priceless. You are almost stamping your feet and it just won't work
So what was the big deal? Why couldn't you just say that when first asked? All you had to say was "there is no official list of law firms that people are limited to dealing with". That is what I was asking - whether there was and if so where people could find it.
Answer: There is. It's just none of your business. Ring the RC and see how far you get. You will be stonewalled.
Answer: Any lawyer that wishes to create a class action will seek this information.
Everyone has the right to ask anyone else to explain or expand on what they said
Answer: That does not give them and especially you, the right to get these particulars. You may have set this site up, but you have no right to this information. Call the RC for it and see what happens.
What on earth are you on about? I was simply asking in order to help you to explain yourself better.Answer: Not true. You thought you had the right to this information and you are angry because I will not give it to you. Moderator or not. You are still just a person who is not actively involved. You really showed your high-minded approach because I said it's..... None of your business.
Who is assuming that? If someone choses to go to a law firm and give then information then that is their concern
Answer: This is exactly the sort of limited thinking that someone like you would support. And it is exactly what should not be encouraged. It will do harm.
So what was the big deal? Why couldn't you just say that when first asked? All you had to say was "there is no official list of law firms that people are limited to dealing with". That is what I was asking - whether there was and if so where people could find it.
Answer: Because you asked me for information about this. Or should I say you wheedled on about information and "clarity". You thought you had the right to ask and now you can't handle being told to butt out. So we are back to square one. You are not giving any testimony. You think you deserve to ask, then when rejected.........you go all out to undermine....Brilliant show of stupidity.
And who the hell are you anyway. You have a site. But zero insight and just want trashy headlines. Who are you that I should trust a pseudonym?
Back off.
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AUSTRALIA – Artemis Legal launches inquiry into group and class action lawsuits against Jehovah’s Witnesses
by jwleaks injehovah's witnesses - group action lawyers fighting for justice | artemis legal .
artemis legal | watchtower claims.
13 october 2015 .
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I have to agree with steve2 - your previous response, Umbertoecho, is totally unwarranted.
You made a big issue of this company not being on some official list and I asked a reasonable question of "where is that list" then you PM me to say it's all secret and can't and won't be shared.
Fair enough about the anger inside of me. And taken on board.
As to you Simon. Asking me for personal information is presumptuous. Who are you really?. I don't know you I don't even know your real name. So why should I trust you when you could be anyone.? If you had the right to know, then you would have gone through the process and be fully informed of what the next, best move would be.
Simon. who are you? A moderator? Do you really think this gives you the right to ask me to tell you things that are really none of your business? No. You have no right to ask and then subtly imply I am being furtive in some way.
Did you initiate this RC. No. Where you ever a part of it? No. So you don't have the right to ask. It seems downright ghoulish.
As to Lee Elder: To him I apologise for being well, basically rude. That is not on.
But how can anyone assume for one second that any person/victim that the RC has on their records will be doled out to lawyers looking for a quick buck. It won't happen. The RC has those very personal records.
The public documents, if you care to read them...........Are witness lists and a few manuals, letters and internal documents. They detail the public hearing they deal with the two cases that were used to support that part of the hearing. That's it.
The RC continues for two more years yet. That is a long time and a good time to gather as much information as possible. No need to jump the gun and start a litigation without waiting to see what a thorough analysis will deliver. Much better to wait and then, armed to the hilt.........go for the attack legally. Not one second before.