Umbertoecho here. Please don't feel frustrated and start to believe that nothing will come of the investigations into child abuse. I promise you it is not over by a long shot. I sincerely assure you that this investigation is still highly active.
umbertoecho
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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?
by tor1500 ini've been thinking this for a while.
even before the arc scandal.
it seems no matter what, the org.
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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses
by OrphanCrow inhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.
abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.
cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.
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I think there is a general rule that has applied for decades here in Australia where any person covering up any crime, is committing a crime. I will check it out as this matter was raised in the RC by Justice McClellan -
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Those keenly following umbertoecho ARC Brief Update.
by MightyV8 ini feel it is comfortable to say,.
yes her arc hearing has come and gone.. yes her hearing was so powerful, her allotted time was tripled!.
yes, information handed over "mind blowing" response from arc.
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umbertoecho
Alive. Thanks for clearing that up. I can well imagine what happened to that poor woman. I was threatened with legal action if I took any further action. How about that?! This was in 1996/7. After that ..........years later, when my sister was ill I was told to phone her up and say sorry about my revelations. What!? I could not believe this was happening, I was gob smacked at the atrocity of some human beings. Looking back upon it. I realise that there were court cases coming to the fore and that I must have posed a real threat to the the family and the religion. That's why they went nuts at me. They had to shut me up quickly.
Did this woman ever leave the religion? Did she ever take the guilty one to court? It's never too late you know.
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Umbertoecho here.
by umbertoecho inhello people.. i'm tired and a bit sick at the moment but i can't let anyone think that this is going to go away.... i am able to tell you a few things in order to prevent any confusion in the minds of those who are thinking that nothing will come of this arc;that nothing will effect the wtbts in america and other places.. i have been there and given my testimony.
helen milroy and her assistants were there along with another group of people who are there to lend assistance if you crack up at any time during or after the hearing.
i did not crack up but can see how this happens.. security is tight and anonymity is sacred to them as they want to protect all who come forward.
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umbertoecho
Hello people.
I'm tired and a bit sick at the moment but I can't let anyone think that this is going to go away...
I am able to tell you a few things in order to prevent any confusion in the minds of those who are thinking that nothing will come of this ARC;that nothing will effect the WTBTS in America and other places.
I have been there and given my testimony. Helen Milroy and her assistants were there along with another group of people who are there to lend assistance if you crack up at any time during or after the hearing. I did not crack up but can see how this happens.
Security is tight and anonymity is sacred to them as they want to protect all who come forward. I think it may be too late for me as I found out I am being "researched already" by WT as of yesterday 5th January 2016. They are going right back into my childhood; calling upon childhood friends that I once knew in an attempt to gain insights into the past. This is disturbing but to be expected. I'm too determined to give in to this sort of crappy ploy.......So go ahead WT do your best, you won't win. Lie away and see what happens you rotten to the core enablers, with your slimy lawyers. The ARC is on to you. And Mr O Tool is going to suffer for his deceit.
Hours are spent in gaining information; as many hours as are required. I gave them full permission to investigate hospital records, court records, death certificates.........the lot. It turns out that one of my abusers is well known and still alive. My experience was a perfect mirror of others that they had heard. I saw a recognition in their faces as I spoke of this other man. I stopped and said......." He's still alive isn't he?" They looked at each other and complicitly agreed to let me know he is and he never stopped abusing children in the past four or five decades since me and those others who were children with me. No. He never stopped. He was only reproved for his 'sin'. He will end up in court and I'll be there along with the others......
The letter I gave them was important to them. Don't think that information is passed up by them. They are not the "society" they are a legal body of people who want to stop this sort of harm from continuing on. And they don't care what religion or group they are offending as they dig away with a persistence that I find incredibly gratifying. They are not concerned with the feelings or the power of any religion.
Mighty V8 has supported me strongly, but on the actual day I had to go alone for I couldn't bear to have any one with me. I wanted to stay focused I needed to keep my anger infront of my eyes. Not a hot anger. No. I have an ice cold anger that has kept me going.
I took no notes as I could never forget what my life had been like and how I was still fighting for validation and acceptance of the facts. My memories are vivid and etched forever like a great big white scar. I think if God exists he must be a cold white eye in the sky, casually ignoring all that has happened upon this earth.
I could not allow any form of affection. They were crying for me at one stage and this made me sad for I could not let me cry for I may never stop. I was almost brutal in delivering my experiences. I know I must have sounded harsh and deeply angry...they were wanting to hold me and I pushed them away. Amazingly they understood how damaged I was and were not offended. I wish I could be kind to them now but I was too afraid of losing the train of thought, the chronology and was re living it all.
Everything is recorded in duplicate. No one has to go into a detail that will cause danger to the soul or heart. Strangely this lack of pressure enabled me to tell it all, but I did find myself to be almost mechanical at one stage as I recounted. Almost like floating in the air......a very odd feeling.
These people are gifted in their field of work and they have my undying love. I saw the exhaustion on their faces that day, we were all worn out, too tired to give a damn if our clothing was crumpled or hair was lank..........Hard working and dedicated to the task would hardly describe my take on the work they are doing.
They are the hero's really. I don't want to allow any one to undermine them or the victims who are coming forward with such statements as ..........." Nothing will happen.....or.........It's important on this forum but not in JWland" If you are thinking this then you may as well head off back to your lovely kingdom hall and wait for Armageddon........for it may well come YOUR way.
There are women and men here who are still gathering the courage to come forward, so please don't undermine them.
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Those keenly following umbertoecho ARC Brief Update.
by MightyV8 ini feel it is comfortable to say,.
yes her arc hearing has come and gone.. yes her hearing was so powerful, her allotted time was tripled!.
yes, information handed over "mind blowing" response from arc.
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umbertoecho
The ARC makes no difference in JW land - who cares about the victims?But hey - isn't what makeme said true?
NO!
I knew about this stuff several years ago before I faded .........abuse?
Alive. It's umberto here and I assure you that the above comment is not accurate at all. WT is very worried about law suits as a result of the ARC. They are tracking down legally trained people within the congregations and any accountants they can gather to assist with monetary advice. I handed the BOE letter to them as soon as I walked into the room. The commissioners took that letter very seriously. Heads together, they read it through, looked up and thanked me, then faxed it off, took copies and gave it back hours later.
This person 'makeme', is not aware of what is going on and is speaking for the sake of speaking. But the words are ill considered and definitely not informed. Alive. May I ask a question for clarification?
Were you aware of the abuse of children all those years ago?
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The Watchtower is not invincible
by Coded Logic indespite claims to the contrary, there's no guarantee the watchtower will be around in a few decades time.
and it seems to me there's ever mounting evidence that the opposite may well be true.
but it's not just that recruitment is down and their defectors are up.
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nvisible God that only communicate with all knowing 8 or 9 cunning GB
Did you make a mistake with the spelling or am I having a wonderfully evil thought.......?
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The Watchtower is not invincible
by Coded Logic indespite claims to the contrary, there's no guarantee the watchtower will be around in a few decades time.
and it seems to me there's ever mounting evidence that the opposite may well be true.
but it's not just that recruitment is down and their defectors are up.
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umbertoecho
1903 the vote is given to all women in backwards little Australia, 1972 women allowed to leave an abusive situation and receive assistance and help on every level. 1900, the laws on concealment of a crime in any state were established and never taken down or changed.
This is the one" little" over- looked law of 1900 that may unravel the whole thing. And I love these little laws that are sometimes deemed so small as to have no legal status. O'Toole recommended for investigation due to his real or deliberate ignorance of such a law is going to happen. (It was his legal duty to know about all aspects of law, especially criminal law) I like little wins....they lead to bigger ones.
This religion has been banned before and it will happen again. Not a prophecy, just an observation of the disgust I have seen. Small beginnings can turn into really really big conclusions.
My hope is in this little place where many oddities exist and many good things do happen. Just stay tuned. Have a lovely Christmas people I am having my first ever....yay
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The new Ice Age Cometh!
by Gill inhttp://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/aol/redir?src=websearch&requestid=6b69327903d3d481&clickeditemrank=1&userquery=sunspot+activity+for+2008+iceage&clickeditemurn=http%3a%2f%2fglobalwarminghoax.wordpress.com%2f2008%2f04%2f23%2fsunspots-and-a-possible-new-ice-age-updated%2f&title=%3cb%3esunspots%3c%2fb%3e+and+a+possible+new+%3cb%3eice+age%3c%2fb%3e+%28updated%29+%c2%ab+the+global+warming+%3cb%3e...%3c%2fb%3e&moduleid=matchingsites.jsp.m&clickeditempageranking=1&clickeditempage=1&clickeditemdescription=webresults.
i hope this link works but there has been virtually no sunspot activity since the beginning of this year and the suns magnetic field is down 60%.. if this link does not work, you might like to try googling: sunspot activity 2008 iceage.. the last time this happened we moved into a little ice age which lasted from 1100 to 1800.. global warming lies may well have met their match with reality.. so how will they tax us for the 'ice age?
do we get our tax back that we paid because of 'global warming'.. is this why they have made fuel so expensive....because they know what is coming and they want to make a killing?.
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Gill. You might like the works of Ayn Rand. Atlas Shrugged. An excellent book to read as a form of fiction that spurned a philosophy of Objectivism in America. I hope you read it. You don't have to agree with all of it but parts (many I hope) will appeal to your rational, logical thinking. I have read most of her essays as well. I have not turned this into my "new religion" but it has certainly helped me gain a better perspective in life and as a productive individual. You would love the "hypothetical" debate that has been written as the now dead Ayn Rand takes on Barack Obama.
I agree with your comment below.
Despite what Primate Dave thinks, I believe taxes are important and everyone contributing to their community is doing a good job. But I don't agree with stealing, mugging, lying etc.......that's just not polite, ever if it is your govenment doing it to you.
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Transfer of Bank Balances and Kingdom Halls.
by kramer intwo things related to ongoing comments regarding forgiving of loans / transfer of balances to the wtbs and the ownership of kingdom halls.
firstly, i would argue that congregations don't care that bank balances have been transferred to the society.
i would contend that people contribute to the preaching work, and that's it , so long as there is enough in the bank to maintain the hall with a reasonable reserve, then i doubt many would argue against it.
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In Australia, congregants are being asked pre pay "before" the assemblies. They have been reminded that the initial forgiveness of loans and subsequent forms handed out to families in order to budget their donations, was only for their immediate halls. Not for assemblies.
The average witness looks a bit .....shocked or worried (not all but the ones I have seen) My sister shook her head with sorrow and said..."their's just not enough money..(she is seventy) Her devotion has always been there and most of the time she is obnoxious toward the rest of "worldly" people behind her plastic smile. So, no. Things are not feeling that great here. Plus the ARC is making it's uncomfortable presence felt in such a diplomatic but unyielding manner. It's a joy to behold for those involved.
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For Australian victims regardless of gender.
by umbertoecho ini wasn't going to post until after my hearing.
but i have changed my mind due to a pm.
yesterday was a terrible day.
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I wasn't going to post until after my hearing. But I have changed my mind due to a PM. Yesterday was a terrible day. I don't like to feel the past too much and confess that I am emotionally inept in many ways. For this I am truly sorry. I have a friend here who is kind and took the time to understand and explain how badly I present at times. Thankyou Mighty V8 You visited me and you were flexible in your' approach.
You are not afraid of the ugliness that is the reality of child abuse. You have not pried into the details and made me feel dreadful.
I had a PM from a woman in my state who has registered and I say this........Good on you. That is the first and most important move. I say to all in Australia who have been abused.........You will not be treated badly. You will have support, validation and a chance to explain how things really are. You must not minimise your experience and try to tell yourselves that your experience is less than another's. All experiences are important to the RC. Indeed! If you care to re-view the video's of the RC in Australia, you will see the woman who is next to justice McClellan. She is an integral part of this process and a most humane advocate of abuse victims. They don't have to be "all" female. Don't be afraid of coming forward. If you become afraid as I have many times.......phone them. They will never let you down or make you feel crazy.
I felt so afraid yesterday that I could hardly breath right. I was somewhere in the past and the now. I felt dreadful and so lonely. I called them and they called straight back. No judicial committee required. They cared and they cried with or for me....Don't stop now when the real "guts" of the matter are coming to light. Don't think you had a "one off experience" and it doesn't matter.
I know I will give testimony, but don't know what to do after it is done. They won't let you feel alone and we have good rational minds to do so much that is respectful, kind and supportive for the next wave of victims.
If you are sincere; in the name of reason and your basic respect of children, teenagers or vulnerable people: come forward and put this right. If you need me to encourage you. Call me. PM me and I will tell you that these people are very kind and serious about sorting this matter out.
They are educated, smart, emotionally kind.................