atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
Question is not about amputee or breast cancer. Question is about what will one do if he has tried everything available on earth to solve his problem (let it be anything) in vain. Then he can make try with God—that’s all what I meant, that’s all what I did.
If you do not have such an urgency, enjoy your life!
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
You say: “Your assertion that atheists want "god to do something", is faulty understanding of what an atheist wants. An atheist has removed all concept of 'god' from his mind.”
Atheism is a platform when members have removed all concept of ‘god’ from their mind. But most of the them reach this platform from the reasoning that ‘if God existed, he would have done something to remove the suffering. He is not doing anything about it, hence God doesn’t exist.’
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
You asked me in the beginning whether I consume alcohol. No, I have never tasted alcohol in my life. That was due to the influence of my grand-mother whose husband died young because of alcohol.
Amputees and the picture of famine-stricken children in Africa or any other aspects of suffering your may bring it up—they are all proof of mismanagement of man, not the proof of non-existence of God. Interestingly, God has no need to prove His existence, because He doesn’t need anybody’s praise—in fact He can never be praised nor reproached as he ALWAYS does good. He gives a perfect start to humanity, humans in turn mismanage it. God will again give another perfect start! If only man learns how to build friendly relationship with neighbours, what better security he can have. Mammoth expense on war-machinery could have been diverted into constructing palaces for every man on earth!
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
It seems you did not read my previous post (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/282507/1/God-listens-and-RESPONDS-to-your-prayer-if-you-know-how-to-log-on-to-Him-Here-is-the-proof#.U-xU9uOSwqM) If what happened to me was something like self-hypnosis, I could have done it earlier also. Why could I not?
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
Cofty,
You asked: “Exjwslave - do you practice celibacy?”
No, I do not practice celibacy. I am a family man having a child too. By profession, I am an ordinary professor of philosophy in a University College. My wife is still a Regular Pioneer, however she is not as zealous as before, and finds no urgency of end-imminent-attitude. I have a feeling that she is planning to come off the RP list. Let us hope for the best.
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
Cofty (and to all those who disagree with me)
According to dictionary anecdote is “a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.” Why can’t this be a proof? Now it is proof for me. When you try, it becomes a proof for you. When the whole world tries, it becomes a proof for the world.
Try going into your inner self, and see whether what I did would work for you or not.
This is how I went about:
1. Relax your body.
2. Withdraw yourattention from everything around you, including your body.
3. Create little space around you and your thinking, observe your thinking as you view traffic on the road.
4. Concentrate on the space between the thoughts, and you will find speed of the thoughts becoming less, and also number of thoughts coming decreased, and finally no thought will come.
5. This is the real silence—free of noises not only from the world outside, but also from the chattering of the mind!
6. Remain in this silence as long as possible, you will find your memory opening up from past indefinite
7. In this silence, you are in the same frequency as your creator, ask for a link and see for yourself what happens!
After this come back to this thread, and share your experience.
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
Dear defender of truth
Virtually every culture in the world has epics or stories that keep the memory of a Golden Age that once existed on earth where humans and animals lived like one-family, and all were vegetarians. At that time man was not hunting animals nor animals were preying on man or animals. When man became worshipers of ego, he began to use others—including animals as mere objects of his pleasure. This would sent out negative vibrations to environment and beings and threw everything out of balance. When man started hunting, animals too started it.
I saw one programme in Discovery Channel some time back. In India a famous river is considered to be sacred, and many people bring dead bodies to put on the sacred pyre near that river. Because of the rush, pyre keepers won’t get enough time to complete the rituals, hence they skillfully dispose residues of the flesh and bones of the dead body into the river. Fishes in this river would eat these residues. And if living humans try to swim or cross this particular river, these little fishes will come and attack human bodies as they are used to eating flesh. Yet interestingly, fishes in the nearby rivers do not behave this way to anybody—dead or alive.
In another programme in the same channel, a crocodile baby that never came in contact with any other crocodiles, but was grown among other domestic animals never showed the character of crocodile. Children in the house were using this (now) grown-up crocodile just like we use a horse. They ride on the crocodile to go to the other side of the river, do their shopping and will come back on crocodile loaded with items they purchased!
This explains how what humans do affect his surrounding for the good or bad. Because everything is connected. No wonder “people describe the world as a dynamic process, where there are no solid structures and everything is a flow of energy.” (Dr. Stanislow Grof, one of the primary founder of Trans Personal Psychology).
Same principle applies to THE NATURAL CALAMITIES too. If people are loving, nature too will be loving. If humans are careless, nature too will be careless—it’s all ccording to the vibrations we send. Because body is made up of the same elements as the physical world being composed of, and everything is connected! This is true of our own body. Body responds according to what we are within. Happy within, body reacts one way. If stressed out within, body too become diseased!
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
To all those who want proof for the existence of God:
I AM THE PROOF. Because I turned to God when every possible solution--including he GREAT law of love--failed! [In spite my busy schedule, I did even cooking and other house-keeping work to keep her as a Regular Pioneer]. When everything failed, then it was the time I had to turn to something superior not belonging to this world. I threw myself on God’s feet—He solved it just like that. My wife was a liability to me for the last 18 years, but now she is the most cherished asset for me, because she became an instrument for ME—note, for ME—to be really convinced that God exists. (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/282507/1/God-listens-and-RESPONDS-to-your-prayer-if-you-know-how-to-log-on-to-Him-Here-is-the-proof#.U-sMuuOSwqM)
One day you may also receive such a proof—only the way in which it happens may differ!
If someone has got the proof, it should be a matter of relief. It need not give rise to the questions such as why others do not get proof, why others suffer ..... If someone is determined to get proof, he will get it some how, and some time!
atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.
jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.
interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.
Dear Madgiant,
What I posted is also for thinking, not to prove any point.
If evil and suffering exist, it only shows evil and suffering exist--that's all, it will not prove God does not exist.
If beard exists, it proves someone has chosen to grow beard--it doesn't prove a barber does not exist
Similarly,
If evil and suffering exist, it proves man has chosen evil and its resultant suffering! He is not in the habit of learning from experience--his or of others. Otherwise things such as anger and alcohol .... would have long disappeared from the surface of the earth. Because things such as them prove more mischievous than the things one is angry about, or grapples with.
all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.
for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.
stick on to her.
Dear steve2 & Dis-Member
What you accuse me is nowhere hinted at all in my post. Sharing of my experience was done after a careful thinking for over four months. Purpose is too innocent--if there is anybody who has been suffering from any problem with no human solution in sight, let him know that there exists an ocean of peace from which he can imbibe into any extent, in any measure.
Many may feel that what his senses perceive is only the reality. Reducing man’s enjoyment into sense-objects is like living out ordinary state of consciousness. It is like living in the basement of a palace not knowing there are different levels of consciousness. “In non-ordinary state of consciousness people describe the world as a dynamic process, where there are no solid structures and everything is a flow of energy.” (Dr. Stanislow Grof, one of the primary founder of Trans Personal Psychology). In higher consciousness there is an automatic flow of pure energy from God to the soul. In this higher state, the soul is energized, it becomes stronger, capable of receiving more energy. The effect of this energizing over time is transformational. A meditator’s thoughts, attitudes and behavior are filled with such a divine force that higher consciousness becomes a reality of his or her existence, and not just an experience acquired only during concentrated meditations.” In this state he is able to put to use the powers of soul for his unlimited enjoyment! His life will be like that of a divine being, not just human being!
