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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

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  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  Simon,
  
  So, since you agree that much is about wealth and inequality, and that most people will stay in their class range, and that America is bad when it comes to supporting the lower classes in various ways to the point where it becomes ridiculously hard to get out...

  ...why were you arguing so vehemently against people who were explaining to other people that the relative high percentages of African Americans who are in poverty now, is because historical factors outside of their control forced large percentages of the race into poverty years ago?
  
  
  Does the past matter or not?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  Here's another article on the subject, that cites more research:
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
  
  Relevant quotes:

  "At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti, an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults. That shows a level of persistent disadvantage much higher than in Denmark (25 percent) and Britain (30 percent) — a country famous for its class constraints.

  Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the Danes."
  
  "Even by measures of relative mobility, Middle America remains fluid. About 36 percent of Americans raised in the middle fifth move up as adults, while 23 percent stay on the same rung and 41 percent move down, according to Pew research. The “stickiness” appears at the top and bottom, as affluent families transmit their advantages and poor families stay trapped."
  
  "The United States maintains a thinner safety net than other rich countries, leaving more children vulnerable to debilitating hardships.

  Poor Americans are also more likely than foreign peers to grow up with single mothers. That places them at an elevated risk of experiencing poverty and related problems, a point frequently made by Mr. Santorum, who surged into contention in the Iowa caucuses. The United States also has uniquely high incarceration rates, and a longer history of racial stratification than its peers."
  
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  In other words, black people are only worse in total percentages as compared to race because more black people started off poorer than other races in the first place. They still basically follow the horrible mobility rates of America in general, which is particularly horrible when it comes to poor people escaping poverty. Blaming the issues on some internal community because of some quotes from people on television is basically missing the mountain for the molehill.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  okay, so pacopoolio, for all the poor/low income areas that happen to be black, because it's a low income area and the sentiment is that education and advancing is too white or somehow negative, do they have a right to claim oppression and discrimination for being poor when they frown upon doing anything to get them out of that situation? What is the solution here? Are they doomed for generation after generation to be poor and welfare if the sentiment is not to get education?

  They're succeeding at the same rates as other poor people, by and large.
  
  The vast majority of lower income people remain there. Black people just have the disadvantage of starting lower, on average, so there are statistically more that are poor as compared to white or Asian.
  
  See this to show how many people actually "make it" out of low income situations: http://economy.money.cnn.com/2013/11/13/making-it-into-the-middle-class/
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  No, that is convenient to your narrative but incorrect.

  I've never heard anyone from a poor neighbourhood who manages to better themself through achievement being told that they are "being too white". People may resent their opportunity but there is a certain level of criticism that is only directed towards other black people if they aren't adhering to the steyotypes that they themselves apparently want to promote.

  Are you making the statement that anti-intellectualism does not coincide with low income groups, or that the minority relation of success with "white" makes that brand of anti-intellectualism worse than the other sentiments held by others in similar situations (ie. equating colleges with "liberal thinking" and other such things)?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  I think you need to go watch TV. There seems to be a black culture and claims being made about black people by black people.

  If there is no black culture then I don't know what they think they are complaining about or why all these people in different cities are marching up and down and trying to disrupt shopping and traffic.

  So people are making definitive statements about a geographically separate group of people based, not on hard data, but, some stuff they see on T.V. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
  
  The people marching up and down in many cities are complaining about the militarization of U.S. police and using deadly force when not necessary and the lack of accountability and regulation after it is used, especially when concerning people that society views as "black," where the rate is hugely statistically higher, even when comparing the same offenses by the person killed. This current case being a huge tipping point because of timing, the multiple instances of which deadly escalation could have been avoided, by the officer's own testimony, and it being yet another example of police officers not being held to the same legal standards or standards of evidence as other citizens. Many of the reasons were more specifically quoted in the parts of the posts you erased. Why does that confuse you?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  Pacopoolio - As a JW, I had made a lot of black friends. One of the only good things about JW's was the cultural diversity. Anyway, quite a few of them remarked to me about the comments and attacks made to them by other blacks while they were in school. Then I've seen news reports and stories too online from general black people who do good in school, move into a nicer neighborhood, etc, told they are being too white, traitor, etc. Blacks who try to better their lives are very much discriminated against by other blacks. Are there any blacks on this message board who would disagree and say these other blacks who have told me these things are wrong or isolated cases?

  1) The sentiment you speak of is not specific to black people, and is a sentiment that aligns with low income areas.

  2) Confirmation bias means that you would "notice" two people that say a particular sentiment, but not necessarily the 98 others who do not state a particular thing. That's why anecdotes in themsleves don't work as data.
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  Education? One generation. Intelligence isn't genetic or inherited and the state strongly encourages kids to go to school. You don't need to be educated to value education.

  In the U.S., quality and safety of schools aligns with schooling zones, which aligns with income level. Are you factoring the disparity of low income area schools and the issues within (violence, bad teachers, horrible learning conditions, overcrowded classrooms, not showing any students individual attention, etc. etc. etc.) in that one generation equation?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  Simon,
  
  I wasn't asking about "those people" (who are they, exactly), I'm referring to people, specifically in this thread who definitively claiming what "black culture" does. Again, what data is being used by people in this thread, such as EndofMysteries, to determine what is being said and done and taught by a majority or even significant percentage of people whose only common trait is having a similar skin tone and some feature markers?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  You don't, because people don't fit into neat boxes. There are different influences on lots of people that vary as to how strong or weak there are.

  If you zoom out you see patterns and stonger probabilities.

  What patterns and probabilities are people using to split people separated by hundreds and thousands of miles into one "culture," make the designation for that culture a race, and then definitively state what goes on within that culture?
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  Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

  let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

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  Pacopoolio

  If there are no races then how can there be racism?

  Read the last sentence of the post two above yours.