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  Does the Watchtower Society Governing Body Carry Arms?

  by Scott77 in

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  "...personally, i fully understand why members of the governing body travel with escorts.

  occasionally, ones carrying licensed firearms..." focus does the watchtower society governing body carry arms?

  how about jehovah's witnesses?

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  Of course they have arms. Each one has 2 of them
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  R and me

  by Pistoff in

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  2. experiences

  what is it like for you when you run into someone from your happy days growing up in the kingdom hall?.

  it happened to me recently, and it brought out a flood of memories about r, an old friend and mentor.. it is a service day; as we drive along route 6 in rs gray four door rambler ambassador, we pass a baptist church.

  it is a thursday afternoon, sunny and warm, and r and i are on our way to the territory to make calls.

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  Well, Latina girls are hot

  Just sayin'
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  R and me

  by Pistoff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what is it like for you when you run into someone from your happy days growing up in the kingdom hall?.

  it happened to me recently, and it brought out a flood of memories about r, an old friend and mentor.. it is a service day; as we drive along route 6 in rs gray four door rambler ambassador, we pass a baptist church.

  it is a thursday afternoon, sunny and warm, and r and i are on our way to the territory to make calls.

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  Well, so much for "unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno"

  I assume no one made it to South America? Lol

  LITS, whenever any elder behaved in a tactless way towards me, I would throw James 1:26 at them. That never failed to shut them up
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  Any examples of the JW's turning their backs on the elderly?

  by AlphaMan in

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  the watchtower religion is a family destroying cult.

  i'm sure many of us know of people who gave their lives to the cult then have nothing and get nothing in the form of help from jw's.. i know a man who gave up a very good job with great benefits many years ago because the watchtower had a conflict with his noble occupation.

  of course the end was coming very soon so the man took a meager retirement and quit because of the watchtower.

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  The cong which I was in had patient visitation groups. They visited the elderly in care homes too. Looks like the elders in your dad's cong are slacking badly!
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  R and me

  by Pistoff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what is it like for you when you run into someone from your happy days growing up in the kingdom hall?.

  it happened to me recently, and it brought out a flood of memories about r, an old friend and mentor.. it is a service day; as we drive along route 6 in rs gray four door rambler ambassador, we pass a baptist church.

  it is a thursday afternoon, sunny and warm, and r and i are on our way to the territory to make calls.

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  Thanks for the story! Just out of curiousity... what happened to the other 3 musketeers?
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  What is this latest letter from the GB about?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we have been told this week that all in the elder and ms body will be read a letter from the gb about "make this the greatest month of activity ever"..... has anyone else had such a letter read out in their cong / servant body?.

  i presume it will be all about "recommending strongly/insisting" that all these men should pioneer for the month?.

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  Ahh.. so what stuckinarut said about "recommending strongly / insisting" that elders / MSs pioneer turned out to be right. And my guess was correct too...

  Wait.. didn't they forget a very important Bible principle?

  2 Cor 9:7 - "Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, NOT grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver"
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  Modern JW Org

  by Infowarrior in

  1. watchtower
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaw1xe8q70.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqru9keiw4.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlsfyfiyzgg.

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  I like this new direction in which the org is heading towards. More relaxed & open, rather than being uptight & rigid
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  Full-time service is MORE IMPORTANT than taking care of elderly parents!!! It says so in the Sept 2014 WT

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
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  paragraph 20 out of the article in the sept 2014 study wt about fulltime service says this.... .

  "full-time servants age, and so do their parents.

  when parents are witnesses, likely their fondest wish is for their children to stay in their assignments.

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  Clarity, regarding the point that you brought up about "letting the dead bury the dead" -

  One explanation of this account is that the man was lying and giving excuses. If the man's father had indeed died at that time, he would have been with his family instead of being with Jesus! The man's father had likely died much earlier and was already buried! Jesus could well have been exposing the man's hypocrisy when he said "Let the dead bury their dead," indicating that he KNEW the man's father was already dead & buried!

  If one wants to find counsel on caring for elderly parents, they should look no further than 1 Tim 5: 8
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  Theory on the real reason WT wants youth to put service ahead of caring for elderly family....

  by EndofMysteries in

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  the generation of the 'creators promise' that wouldn't die until the new world is now becoming elderly, they are broke, hadn't saved for retirement, and need help.. there hasn't been real growth, the growth is mostly born ins and born ins children (population growth), those who didn't listen to the advice to not have kids.. suddenly, the overlapping 2nd generation started slacking on their field service to take care of their parents.

  the gb were insulted that the numbers were dropping and noticing that soon nobody would be going door to door because all who can would be taking care of their broke, elderly parents who couldn't afford retirement or proper care.. the gb though know that they are higher than god and jesus and they should not be expected to not have all the luxuries of life, first class flights, etc, so they issue new orders that the younger ones are not to put aside their peddling of their literature to care for the elderly parents.

  the eldery were too presumptuous and looked too deep into things.

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  Some may quote Matt 8 to excuse themselves from caring for their parents...

  Matt 8:21, 22 - Then another of the disciples said to him: "Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father." Jesus said to him: "Keep following me, and let the dead bury their dead."

  HOWEVER...

  One explanation of this account is that the man was lying and giving excuses. If the man's father had indeed died at that time, he would have been with his family instead of being with Jesus! The man's father had likely died much earlier and was already buried! Jesus could well have been exposing the man's hypocrisy when he said "Let the dead bury their dead," indicating that he KNEW the man's father was already dead & buried!

  Now lets see what example Jesus set in the following account:

  Mark 1:30, 31 - Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying down sick with a fever, and they at once told him about her. Going to her, he took her by the hand and raised her up.

  Notice that Jesus here set a fine example on the importance of caring for family members. The person involved was not Peter's OWN mother, but his mother-in-law. Yet, her needs were cared for

  Likewise, IF modern day Christians DO NOT care for the needs of their aging parents or in-laws, then the scripture in 1 Tim 5:8 would apply fully to them
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  Theory on the real reason WT wants youth to put service ahead of caring for elderly family....

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the generation of the 'creators promise' that wouldn't die until the new world is now becoming elderly, they are broke, hadn't saved for retirement, and need help.. there hasn't been real growth, the growth is mostly born ins and born ins children (population growth), those who didn't listen to the advice to not have kids.. suddenly, the overlapping 2nd generation started slacking on their field service to take care of their parents.

  the gb were insulted that the numbers were dropping and noticing that soon nobody would be going door to door because all who can would be taking care of their broke, elderly parents who couldn't afford retirement or proper care.. the gb though know that they are higher than god and jesus and they should not be expected to not have all the luxuries of life, first class flights, etc, so they issue new orders that the younger ones are not to put aside their peddling of their literature to care for the elderly parents.

  the eldery were too presumptuous and looked too deep into things.

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  Well, the scriptures make it very clear concerning the need to care for ones parents:

  1 Tim 5:8 - "CERTAINLY if anyone DOES NOT PROVIDE for those who are his own and especially for those who are MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD, he has DISOWNED THE FAITH and is WORSE THAN A PERSON WITHOUT FAITH"

  Matt 15:5, 6- "But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother: Whatever I have that could benefit you is a gift dedicated to God," he need not honor his father at all.' So you have MADE THE WORD OF GOD INVALID..."

  And Jesus went on to say in verse 9:

  9-It is IN VAIN that they keep worshipping me...