Posts by Divergent

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Hello again friends...

by alamb in

jw
friends

i haven't been on here for so long.

peeking in to say hello.

any old friends here?

Divergent

(clicks on alamb's profile)

(sees this ---> Joined 15 years ago)

!!!

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Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

by careful in

i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

but one thing i've noticed that the org.

has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

by careful in

i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

but one thing i've noticed that the org.

has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

by careful in

i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

but one thing i've noticed that the org.

has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

by careful in

i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

but one thing i've noticed that the org.

has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

When the new song book was released, the reason given for the drastic reduction of the number of songs (from 200+ to 100+) was that it would be easier for all to familiarise themselves with the songs now that the songs have been reduced. So what the heck are they doing increasing the number of songs again???

13

Somebody forgot where they parked

by JeffT in

how does this happen?http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/aviation/malaysia-aviation-airport-abandoned-aircraft/

Divergent

As I said earlier, the owner is known to the airport authorities all along. There is no way that they would have no clue at all as to who the owner is!

'Missing’ owner of three Boeing 747s comes forward

PETALING JAYA: The "missing" owner of the three aircraft parked at Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) has come forward, claiming that the company has been in contact with Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB) on a "consistent basis".
Swift Air Cargo chief executive officer Captain Blue Peterson toldThe Star Friday that the three Boeing 747s that were featured in newspaper advertisements on Dec 7 belonged to the company.
He said Swift has been the owner of the three aircraft since June 8 this year.
"MAHB knows this for we have been in many meetings with them about the aircraft.
"MAHB for some unfathomable reason, refuses to acknowledge Swift as the owners of the aircraft, even though we have all of the supporting documents, including the Bill of Sale for the three aircraft," he claimed.
He said the sale of the aircraft to Swift Air Cargo was witnessed by solicitor Syed Amir Ibrahim of Syed Ibrahim & Co, when the documents were signed in Kuala Lumpur.
When contacted, Syed Amir confirmed that the sale of the aircraft to Swift took place.
Captain Peterson also claimed that he had a Statutory Declaration from the previous owner, notarised in Hong Kong and with the Malaysian Consulate stamping it.
"All the many various supporting documents, clearly state that Swift is the owner of all three B747s," he said.
He added that the first meeting with MAHB was on June 17 with their senior general manager of operations services.
Multiple meetings followed, and Captain Peterson said that each request for documentation was supplied as requested.
He said the last meeting with MAHB was on Oct 12, with both the chief operating officer and the general manager present, adding that he last heard from MAHB on Nov 3.
"Since then, Swift and MAHB have been communicating with letters and we were waiting for yet another meeting to present more documentation and information as requested by MAHB, when instead MAHB announced to the world that the owner of the three B747s was missing.
"Based on this evidence, Swift is unable to fathom the reason for MAHB’s declaration that it has taken ‘exhaustive steps’ without being able to find a ‘contact person’ when all along, Swift was fulfilling its obligations," said Captain Peterson.
MAHB had published newspaper advertisements to serve as notice to the owners of three aircraft, saying that the planes may be sold or disposed of if not collected within 14 days.
Swift Air Cargo is currently called Splunk n’ Dash Sdn Bhd until the change of name is approved by the Malaysian Department of Civil Aviation and the Companies Commission of Malaysia.
Attempts to reach MAHB have so far been unsuccessful.
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2015/12/11/swift-air-cargo-mahb/

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Somebody forgot where they parked

by JeffT in

how does this happen?http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/aviation/malaysia-aviation-airport-abandoned-aircraft/

Divergent

Re: JWdaughter -

Unknown as in unknown to the public, but known by the airport authorities. The key word is untraceable, as stated in the notice below. Whenever a parked aircraft is sold, the owners would notify the airport authority that the aircraft has been sold & to who so as not to incurr any subsequent charges. The airport authority does not mind however long the aircrafts are parked, as long as the charges are paid. The problem here is that they are not. If the owner comes forward & pays the outstanding charges & pays additional charges to park the planes there for another year, it would not be a problem at all!

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Somebody forgot where they parked

by JeffT in

how does this happen?http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/aviation/malaysia-aviation-airport-abandoned-aircraft/

Divergent

JWdaughter:

Nice to know how accurate and up to date that they keep airliner records. With all the disappearing planes, blown up planes, terrorism, evil governments (N. Korea!) and other random badness, you'd think they'd know who owns million dollar airliners! What good are the IDs on the planes if registering them seems to be optional?

Malaysia Airports has known who the owner is all along. However, knowing who the owner is & tracing the owner are 2 different things. As I mentioned earlier, the entity who owns the planes may have gone bust & disappeared, resulting in the airport authority being unable to contact them

After all means to contact the owner has been exausted, the last resort is to issue a public notice. It is required by Malaysian law that this must be done before any confistication of property. They do not have to disclose to the public who the owner is. Should no one come forward to claim the planes by the deadline, the airport authority will then have the right to decide what to do with the aircraft

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"High" education

by Esmeralda001 in

did any of you guys disregard the wt recommendations and pursue a career.

if you answer "yes": was your journey easy?

are you happy with the end result?

Divergent

I started pursuing my higher education at a time when it was not frowned upon (mid 2000's). There was no condemnation from anyone at all. Of course, things would be very different now!

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Somebody forgot where they parked

by JeffT in

how does this happen?http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/aviation/malaysia-aviation-airport-abandoned-aircraft/

Divergent

Malaysia Airlines leased these planes till 2008 and returned them to their owners (Air Atlanta Icelandic) thereafter. All three were legally disposed by their owner in 2009/10 & subsequently changed hands several times. It is unclear whether the current owner is a Malaysian or foreign entity. That entity may have since gone bust or disappeared, hence the request for the owners to come forward