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  JW Broadcasting: How to make memorial bread

  by Gorbatchov in

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  i don't believe it, but it is on jw broadcasting: how to make memorial bread.. it is just like the 24/kitchen broadcasting.. http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodministry/pub-jwbrd_201603_2_video.

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  The most tasteless recipe ever!
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  The Modern Exodus: Perception or Reality?

  by Hadriel in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm completely new at this however just in my joining this forum and of course interacting with others i can't help but notice what appears to be a significant exodus from the organization.. for those of you that have long been in this game have you seen this before?

  i'm really curious and we should refrain from the sensational, but is what we're seeing different than in years past?.

  it sure seems like so so many are waking and leaving.

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  Grouped together here, it might seem that there is a mass exodus. However, the reality is that different individuals are waking up at different times at different locations all around the world. We have yet to see a mass exodus involving a large number of individuals in one place - an entire congregation leaving, for example. The last time that happened was after the failed 1975 prophecy

  The growth definitely has slowed, as evidenced by the 2015 worldwide work statistics, but there is still a bit of growth. If most countries show a negative growth & there is a significant decrease of a few hundred thousand publishers in the overall figure (which I hope would happen one day), then we are talking about a REAL mass exodus!
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  Never Allowed to be Myself

  by NeverAllowestobeMyself in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my handle has a typo, it is supposed to be never allowed to be myself but i'm okay with that because it is kind of symbolic of my situation.

  as a born-in i have always had expectations forced on me, this is what you are to think, feel and do as a jehovah's witness.

  my earliest memories involve being upset that i would die at armageddon because i was bad.

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  As a born-in I have always had expectations forced on me, this is what you are to think, feel and do as a Jehovah's Witness. My earliest memories involve being upset that I would die at Armageddon because I was bad. I just never have fit in, even at the tender age of 5.

  I'm a born-in too & I can relate to this part very well! As a kid, I had unpleasant thoughts of dying at Armageddon for the stupidest reasons - biting my tongue & accidentally tasting blood, masturbating, watching porn, celebrating my friends' birthdays at school & other festivals, saluting the flag (I was never good at making a stand when it came to stupid things like these), not giving a witness to my non-JW friends & not calling back on RV's in the ministry (bloodguilt!), etc. A religion who can make a young kid feel bloodguilty is a sick religion!

  On the positive side, I made it out eventually & so can you also. Congrats on your enlightenment & hope that you can make it out soon together with your family! =)
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  Proof for the resurrection of Chrisr...

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
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  posted on friends :-) anyway i hope everyone agrees even in disagreement, the discussion can be fruitful.

  personally i usually find the atheism views more compelling than the christian view point, however i value both insights and conversations when the comments are respectful.. as it's coming up to eater, could i therefore pose the question to christians can you offer compelling evidence for the resurrection of christ?

  evidence is a fact or a set of facts, or maybe i should rephrase my question " the resurrection is reasonable to hold to because of reasonable evidence that can be submitted for that conclusion" .

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  Err... it's true because there were many eyewitnesses. The Bible says so. And the Bible is the word of God, so it is truth!
  
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  What do ya think would happen?

  by brandnew in

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  lets say..an assembly is arranged at a stadium for 30,000 jws to meet.

  now lets say only about 1,000 jws show up.. do you think the show would go on?, or do you think it would be canceled because it would not generate enough money?.

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  Won't happen. They would already know the approximate number well in advance based on the hotel rooms which have been booked
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  Another 12 yr old df in cong 13 people df in 3 yrs

  by poopie in

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  wow

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  Well, I would say good for him! (unless his parents force him back in)
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  Advice help

  by Undercoverbrother in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  but i have been undercover for about 3 years.

  recently i stopped going and faded(close to a year without stepping into the hall) .

  an old flame of mine (who is active witness) came back into the picture.

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  They don't, IF you confess. If you don't, then they would need another person as a witness
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  Today's Text Is A Joke - Be Humble And Consider Others Superior???!

  by Divergent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thursday, march 17. with humility consider others superior to you.—phil.

  2:3.. we appreciate it when people are straightforward yet tactful when approaching us.

  how can we extend the same courtesy to those we meet in our ministry?

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  Thursday, March 17

  
  With humility consider others superior to you.—Phil. 2:3.

  
  We appreciate it when people are straightforward yet tactful when approaching us. How can we extend the same courtesy to those we meet in our ministry? In many territories, we need to make the purpose of our visit clear to the householder. True, we have valuable information the householder does not have, but suppose we did not really introduce ourselves and merely began our presentation abruptly with a question like this: “If you could solve any problem in the world, what would it be?” We know that the purpose behind such a question is to find out what is on the person’s mind and then direct the conversation to the Bible. However, the householder might wonder: ‘Who is this stranger, and why is he asking me this question? What is this all about?’ So we should try to put the householder at ease. How can we do so? The key is to adjust our presentation to the way that people in our area likely want to be approached. w14 5/15 2:14-16

  What I noticed immediately is that the comments on the text are not even in harmony with what the text says. In fact, it is the complete opposite! Congrats once again to the WT writing committee for taking a scripture and completely twisting & misapplying it!

  What does it actually mean to consider another person as superior? We treat them with utmost respect, listen to what they have to say, and readjust our thinking if necessary

  Since the comments highlight the ministry but do not properly apply the words of the text to it, I came up with some questions which do:

  1. Do JW's actually consider the householder to be superior to them or is it the other way around?

  2. If the householder says that they are busy or have just woken up, do JW's show understanding & leave or do they try to stall the householder further?

  3. Do JW's humbly listen to what the householder has to say or are they just waiting to continue what they have to say?

  4. Do JW's always listen patiently while the householder is talking or do they at times rudely interrupt the householder?

  5. Do JW's humbly & graciously concede if the householder brings up a valid point which they are unable to refute or do they arrogantly insist that they are right or try to downplay what the householder has brought up?

  6. Do JW's make fun of the householders behind their backs after they have left the door, criticising them for their beliefs / non-belief or other things?

  7. Do JW's judge householders, saying that certain ones are goats which would be destroyed at Armageddon?

  8. Do JW's have a callous attitude, talking about which of the houses in the territory they would like to have for themselves after Armageddon when the householders have been destroyed?

  9. Which is more superior to JW's - "saving the lives" of the householders / getting their hours in / status? If report slips were done away with, pioneer ranks abolished, & preaching is not made compulsory for all JW's, would most JW's still be going out in service?

  10. If the householder accepts a Bible study, makes progress, gets baptized, then one day chooses to leave the religion as there are some things which they cannot believe in, will their decision be respected or will they be ostracised & shunned?

  So do JW's really apply the words found in today's text? You be the judge!
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  On Prayer

  by kairos in

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  2. friends

  so many prayers.. consuming.

  the obligation.. when did you realize you were talking to yourself?.

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  In this era of modern technology where instant & conclusive answers are expected & interaction is crucial, prayer has lost its relevance. People do not want to be kept waiting on an invisible source who does not interact with them & does not provide any concrete evidence of his help!
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  JW Escape Episode 3 has dropped

  by OneGenTwoGroups in

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