Thanks, Raven! Honestly speaking, I haven't been posting much lately... but glad to see that I can help to make a difference, however small my contributions might be!
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Today's Text - You MUST Love Jehovah!
by Divergent inthursday, september 1. you must love jehovah your god.—matt.
22:37.. if you have a loving relationship with jehovah, you will be a ‘doer of the word, not a hearer only.’ (jas.
1:22-25) a “doer” has faith that produces such works as zealous preaching activity and participation in christian meetings.
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Today's Text - You MUST Love Jehovah!
by Divergent inthursday, september 1. you must love jehovah your god.—matt.
22:37.. if you have a loving relationship with jehovah, you will be a ‘doer of the word, not a hearer only.’ (jas.
1:22-25) a “doer” has faith that produces such works as zealous preaching activity and participation in christian meetings.
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Thursday, September 1
You must love Jehovah your God.—Matt. 22:37.
If you have a loving relationship with Jehovah, you will be a ‘doer of the word, not a hearer only.’ (Jas. 1:22-25) A “doer” has faith that produces such works as zealous preaching activity and participation in Christian meetings. Because you really love God, you will obey Jehovah’s “perfect law,” which covers everything he requires of you. (Ps. 19:7-11) Love for Jehovah God will cause you to turn to him often in heartfelt prayer. Evidently alluding to the daily burning of incense under the Law covenant, the psalmist David sang: “May my prayer be as incense prepared before you [Jehovah], my uplifted hands like the evening grain offering.” (Ps. 141:2; Ex. 30:7, 8) May your humble petitions, your earnest supplications, and your heartfelt words of praise and thanksgiving to God be like the sweet-smelling incense that symbolizes acceptable prayers.—Rev. 5:8. w14 6/15 1:20, 21
10 points that came to my mind:
1. "You must love Jehovah your God."
Does it make sense to FORCE people to love you? Shouldn't love come NATURALLY to be meaningful? Can GENUINE love even be forced? Not at all!
2. "If you have a loving relationship with Jehovah, you will be a ‘doer of the word, not a hearer only."
Can it REALLY be said that the governing body are DOERS of the word?
3. A “doer” has faith that produces such works as zealous preaching activity and participation in Christian meetings.
Wait... NOTHING at all about helping the disadvantaged / elderly / sick / infirm / victims of abuse and showing tender love and care for such ones?
4. "Zealous preaching activity"
Like standing dumbly beside a cart?
5. "Participation in Christian meetings"
You mean to say that Jehovah / Jesus would judge us based on the number of times we comment at the meetings?
6. "Because you really love God, you will obey Jehovah’s “perfect law,” which covers everything he requires of you."
There is a big difference between loving God and FEARING God. Many JW's are motivated by fear, obligation, and guilt instead of love!
7. "Jehovah's perfect law"
No such thing! If you say it is, please take a look at www.evilbible.com and see the Bible for what it really is!
8. "Love for Jehovah God will cause you to turn to him often in heartfelt prayer."
What's the point when the most BASIC thing - INTERACTION, is not even evident??? Prayer is one-sided & any "answer" can simply be attributed to coincidence. We can simply pray to any object and get the same outcome. Try it out for yourself!
9. "Evidently alluding to the daily burning of incense under the Law covenant, the psalmist David sang: “May my prayer be as incense prepared before you [Jehovah], my uplifted hands like the evening grain offering.”
And Jehovah proceeded to kill David's innocent child. So much for prayer!
10. "May your humble petitions, your earnest supplications, and your heartfelt words of praise and thanksgiving to God be like the sweet-smelling incense that symbolizes acceptable prayers."
My humble petitions and earnest supplications went unanswered. What more can be said???
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Shepherding Visit Riposte
by Nicholaus Kopernicus inif an elder approaches you and wants to arrange a shepherding call one possible response is..... "well thankyou brother, but jehovah is my shepherd.
i shall lack nothing.
(ps 23:1) but thanks again anyway".
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What do shepherds ultimately do with the sheep they shepherd? ;)
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I think this is an important question...
by The Rebel inwhen i first met my wife and on that so important first date i was 21 years old and sadly broke, she was an 18 year old au pair.
any way i treated her to mcdonald's but she had to pay for the meal.
now over 20 years later and still together, i realize how lucky i was she didn't say on that first date " if you can't afford to pay "our" mcdonald's meal f...off" .
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The Rebel:
When I first met my wife and on that so important first date I was 21 years old and sadly broke
Sounds like a typical young JW pioneer... LOL
Glad you made it out & have a better life now!
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Does anyone else squirm uncomfortably in disbelief?
by stuckinarut2 inas we know, every month on the "official broadcasting" presentation, a new "music video" is presented.. can these possibly be any more cringe-worthy??.
the words, music, singing are so, so bad....i mean, so bad!.
surely witnesses are not so stupid that they don't harbor secret feelings of awkwardness when they see these?.
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As a music fan, I am appalled at the quality of "kingdom songs". I can relate better to "worldly" Christian music anytime!
Some samples:
Hillsong:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ3KIXadMoY
Bethel Music:
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The Governing Body - your thoughts?
by pale.emperor inim no medical professional, but i have my own opinions of the gb members.
i'd be interested to get yours.. no jokes please, im gonna be 100% serious and would like you to be too.. anthony morris iii - narcissist, controlling, possibly psychopath.
knows full well it's all bullshit but loves the power.. stephen lett - mentally ill, fantasist, liar who genuinely believes the lies he tells.. samuel hird - deluded, likely actually believes he actually is anointed by god.
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The Searcher:
Samuel Herd - my instincts tell me he knows that the org is corrupt and self-serving and he's just going through the motions. He has a wife and family to consider, so he will bite his tongue. He doesn't appear to act as self-righteous and "glorious" as the rest of his fellow "priests" at Brooklyn. I reckon he could be mentally "out" already.
Sorry Searcher, but I strongly disagree with you. I've heard quite a number of Samuel Herd's talks and it looks like he's also deluded to the highest degree!
Here's the transcript of one of his talks. Have a read-through yourself and see his true nature. I have the audio recording too if you like
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Why the story of Noah's ark is scientifically impossible: Minimum Viable Population
by ILoveTTATT2 ini didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years.
this is called the "minimum viable population".. genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark.
supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.this is interesting:"an mvp of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.
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How did the kangaroos go to Australia? The same way that they went to the Middle East to board the ark!
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Today's Text - Sacrifice To God!
by Divergent insunday, august 14. if she cannot afford a sheep, she must then take two turtledoves or two young pigeons.—lev.
12:8.. according to the mosaic law, the israelites were to offer specific sacrifices.
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Talking about principles, I always wondered what the heck is the principle of Deuteronomy 22: 28 & 29???
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Today's Text - Sacrifice To God!
by Divergent insunday, august 14. if she cannot afford a sheep, she must then take two turtledoves or two young pigeons.—lev.
12:8.. according to the mosaic law, the israelites were to offer specific sacrifices.
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Sunday, August 14
If she cannot afford a sheep, she must then take two turtledoves or two young pigeons.—Lev. 12:8.
According to the Mosaic Law, the Israelites were to offer specific sacrifices. (Lev. 9:1-4, 15-21) The sacrifices were to be unblemished because they pointed to Jesus’ perfect sacrifice. Moreover, with each type of offering, or sacrifice, a specific procedure was to be followed. For example, consider what was required of the mother of a newborn child. Leviticus 12:6 states: “When the days of her purification for a son or a daughter are completed, she will bring a young ram in its first year for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering to the entrance of the tent of meeting, to the priest.” God’s requirements were specific, but his loving reasonableness shines radiantly in the Law, as shown in today’s text. Though poor, this worshipper was loved and appreciated just as much as the one bringing a more costly offering. w14 11/15 3:1110 IMPORTANT points that I thought about:
1. Read the preceding verses of the text. If the child is a male, the mother would be proclaimed for 7 days. If the child is a female, she will be unclean for 14 days. Who created sexism? God did!
2. If the child dies after the sacrifice is made, the parents would suffer double loss - that of their child and the value of the offering. God does not provide refunds
3. God does not accept sacrifices of animals with defects, but allows children to be born with defects. Go figure!
4. I could never understand why God ordered the killing of animals to be offered up as sacrifices to him. Totally pointless, unloving, and utterly wasteful!
5. I never understood the need for a ransom sacrifice either. Or for the need of the tree that produced forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden and allowing a powerful spirit creature who has existed for aeons to tempt an immature human couple in the first place!
6. Adam lost his perfect human body AND his life PERMANENTLY. Jesus sacrificed his human body BUT retained his life. If God requires a commensurate sacrifice, how could this unequal "sacrifice" be deemed equal???
7. If Jesus's sacrifice has ALREADY been made and the "ransom" PAID, why is human suffering still prolonged unnecessarily???
8. How meaningful can sacrifices be when they are COMPULSORY and FORCED???
9. "God's... loving reasonableness shines radiantly in the Law"
Can't help laughing when I read this. It sounds exactly like something from a North Korean propaganda article praising the "Dear Leader" who is in actual fact a ruthless dictator and tyrant
10. "Though poor, this worshipper was loved and appreciated just as much as the one bringing a more costly offering"
TRUE love would mean NOT burdening people to make unnecessary sacrifices which involve the killing of innocent & defenceless creatures!
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I've had enough..
by raven inso last night, after thinking "wow those pesky elders have finally left me alone, maybe since i skipped out on their jc invitation back on august 1st they've given up" wrong.. i go to check the mail and there's an envelope at my front door- lo and behold, another letter from from these elders.. why won't they leave me alone already?
i'll attach a picture of the letter.. again, same letter as the first one inviting me to a judicial committee on august 15th - and signed by all three elders.. should i just continue to ignore?
quite frankly i don't give a rats arse i've been enjoying life free from the mind control of the organization, and i just wish they would drop it and let me live life.. like i mentioned before, i am moving to a new home next week, the only reason these elders have my current address ( which happens to be over 100 miles away from the cong ) is because my mother gave it to them, after i gave it to her in confidence to forward me my mail.. so lets just say she won't be getting my new address... i don't have any contact with ones from this congregation (i'm an ex pioneer, so i'm sure if they've gotten word on what i'm doing, i must be satan himself!
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Raven, I was just wondering if by any chance your mother could have in her possession any evidence of you confessing your "sin", in the form of writings / text messages / e-mails / recorded phone calls?