sparrowdown

Joined

• started 56 topics
• posted 5,668 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by sparrowdown

• 
  23

  Faith and Lies.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you were hooked up to a polygraph machine when you were still an asleep, kool-aid drinking dub and asked if you agree 100% with every single wt teaching (asked as individual questions and collectively), would you have "passed" with no signs of deception?.

  i know, i definitely would not have "passed" such an interegation.

  i would have tripped up on questions about blood, dfing and non jws being marked for destruction just to name a few.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  Thank you to all those who took the time to respond. An odd question I know but I thought worth pondering because this is a belief system that people are so hopelessly dependant upon that they are willing to disown family and friends to protect it. Even die for it, or let their loved ones die for it!

  I don't think it is my doubts that will wake someone up but their own.

  This excersize could help someone begin to see several things (internally, of course they would probably never admit it to your face) such as they themselves are not 100% in.

  At the end of the day most if not all JWs are basically suffering from consensus trance not belief.
• 
  23

  Faith and Lies.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you were hooked up to a polygraph machine when you were still an asleep, kool-aid drinking dub and asked if you agree 100% with every single wt teaching (asked as individual questions and collectively), would you have "passed" with no signs of deception?.

  i know, i definitely would not have "passed" such an interegation.

  i would have tripped up on questions about blood, dfing and non jws being marked for destruction just to name a few.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  Is it even possible to be in 100% hand on heart agreement with such a contradictory inconsistent belief sytem?

  I now find it ridiculous that that is what the GB expect. Mind control at it's best.
• 
  23

  Faith and Lies.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you were hooked up to a polygraph machine when you were still an asleep, kool-aid drinking dub and asked if you agree 100% with every single wt teaching (asked as individual questions and collectively), would you have "passed" with no signs of deception?.

  i know, i definitely would not have "passed" such an interegation.

  i would have tripped up on questions about blood, dfing and non jws being marked for destruction just to name a few.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  If you were hooked up to a polygraph machine when you were still an asleep, kool-aid drinking dub and asked if you agree 100% with every single WT teaching (asked as individual questions and collectively), would you have "passed" with no signs of deception?

  I know, I definitely would not have "passed" such an interegation. I would have tripped up on questions about blood, DFing and non JWs being marked for destruction just to name a few.

  This realization caused me to see how I was just lying to myself about what I believed and wondered how many JWs would show no signs of deception when queried on their faith? I'm not debating the accuracy of polygraphs since they only measure physiological responses which can be caused for all sorts non- deceptive reasons, just generally speaking that's all.

  So what does this say about my (then) faith and belief?

  It was not real even though I thought it was and was willing to die for it!!

  Any thoughts?
• 
  32

  GoFundMe - JW Pioneer & LDC Couple

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jerry jones on youtube exposed a jw couple who were begging for money on gofundme.

  this is his youtube .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feohxtbml2c.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  Yeah, seems to be a bit of that going around.
• 
  32

  GoFundMe - JW Pioneer & LDC Couple

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jerry jones on youtube exposed a jw couple who were begging for money on gofundme.

  this is his youtube .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feohxtbml2c.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  Is this a thing now, funding dubs to participate in this "once in a lifetime work?"

  
  
• 
  161

  I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

  by scared and lonely in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

  i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

  i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  S&L - pardon me, but, you claim in your intro post that you are not apostate, (in other words you still believe the WT to be God's only true Organization and all their teachings are correct) then, why oh why, would you come to an obviously apostate site to ask for advice and money?
• 
  161

  I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

  by scared and lonely in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

  i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

  i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  You are just not used to people being honest about their thoughts and feelings.

  You are not in Kansas anymore Dorothy, people here will tell you what they really think, so be careful what you ask.
• 
  161

  I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

  by scared and lonely in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

  i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

  i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  Yep, pretty much.
• 
  161

  I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

  by scared and lonely in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

  i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

  i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  Ah yeah, I have read your other posts and my suggestion still stands.

  Grow a pair.
• 
  161

  I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

  by scared and lonely in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

  i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

  i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  sparrowdown

  You do know you have rights don't you?

  JWs may shun you in a social sense but they cannot take away your legal rights or property.

  Stand up for yourself man.