Posts by sparrowdown

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If An Organization Really Believed It Had the Truth...

by xjwsrock in

....it would not be scared of critics.

actually they would naturally take an offensive stance, wouldn't they?

they would welcome debate... even encourage it.

sparrowdown

Tony Morris vs Bill Maher.

Better yet

Lett vs Stephen Colbert

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Printing presses, bye... bye...

by sp74bb in

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bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

sparrowdown

What will this set a precedent for I wonder. Outside cleaning contracts? Building companies?

If they can start outsourcing the printing which was like the holiest of WT's prized sacred cows and proof of holy spirit then they can outsource anything.

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2016 convention "movies". Propaganda, pure and simple....

by stuckinarut2 in

no doubt all are familiar with the 2016 convention video movies being shown?.

(if you haven't seen them, go to cedars youtube channel to see them in full).

they are the most disturbing, emotionally manipulative, propaganda pieces ever seen.. thoughts?.

sparrowdown

Someone should alert the local newspapers to make sure they go on Friday. 😉

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If An Organization Really Believed It Had the Truth...

by xjwsrock in

....it would not be scared of critics.

actually they would naturally take an offensive stance, wouldn't they?

they would welcome debate... even encourage it.

sparrowdown

Didn't the apostles supposedly actively seek debate then why wouldn't the GB?

The answer as you say is obvious if they encourged genuine questions and intelligent debate it would quickly become obvious that their whole belief system is a house of cards, a row of unstable dominos unprotected from even a gentle breeze of facts, reasoning and logic.

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Cult memories extinguish good memories

by rebel8 in

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i have this thing.

i don't know why it is or how to stop it.

every time i happen to daydream about something positive from my childhood, some related cult aspect comes to mind and extinguishes it like a candle is being blown out.. for a while, i thought this was anger and resentment causing me to want to find an excuse to be angry (not that i need one).

sparrowdown

There is no doubt WT leaves a very sour aftertaste that flavors even the nice memories. I have dealt with it by reminding myself that all the other people in my memories were indoctrinated and as such acted as their indoctrinated selves. We were all "under a spell" thankfully I woke up from the spell they did not.

I ask myself would this person have acted the same way if their mind was there own, and they were free to be themselves. I may never know, but the exercise provides me with distance between the person and how they acted and that it probably wasn't personal it's just what cult indoctrinated people do.

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Need advice

by Drwho in

i'm a middle aged man.

i dated a jw lady for 3 months ., we never had sex, just made out , half naked , well everything except underwear .

she has been a jw for 40 years ., was married to a jw but he committed adultery 13 years ago so they divorced .

sparrowdown

Giordiano - if you reread my comment I do qualify that statement, no need to virtue signal, I do know we are all indeed hypocrites by degree.

Point being that indoctrinated cult victims suffer a particular form of self- blindness that makes them difficult to reason with.

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Need advice

by Drwho in

i'm a middle aged man.

i dated a jw lady for 3 months ., we never had sex, just made out , half naked , well everything except underwear .

she has been a jw for 40 years ., was married to a jw but he committed adultery 13 years ago so they divorced .

sparrowdown

She has been trained to only listen to one voice and that's WT's, though if she has been foolng around with you then she is a hypoctrite. I'm not judging her just saying JWs tend to seperate their actions from their words and that split makes them very difficult to reason with. Logic seems to bounce off as they just parrot the WT script they have running in their heads.

She may wake up if you gave her an ultimatum but then again she may not.

People wake up when they're ready and some never wake up.

Just ask yourself how much time do you want to waste on this project cause it gets old fast - really it does.

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Jehovah protects his people. Did he ever protect you?

by TimeBandit in

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hello forum.

i started this topic because i had been thinking recently about a story that i had heard many times in different congregations over the years.

kind of a jw urban legend if you will.

sparrowdown

"Did Jehovah ever protect me?"

I'm here and awake so what does that tell you?

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G Losch Talk - Do Not Hold a Grudge

by Listener in

a new video on jw org tv titled do not hold a grudge is presented by gb's oldest member gerrit losch.this is just another representation of the standard of talks prepared and given by the highest level of authority and position within the jw organization.

they desperately need help, not even their complete rebranding can save them from themselves.some of this gb member's gems about holding a grudge include -.

- what can lead to a grudge?

sparrowdown

Ok so in the shunning video you are told to hold a grudge until the person gets reinstated.

Now they are saying don't hold a grudge, what do they think shunning is?

Disfellowshipping has got to be the mother of all grudges! Carried out by an entire group!

WT speaking out both sides of their ass - again.