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  Introduction - Any Believers?

  by Believer in

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  i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

  i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

  i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

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  When I was a dub I always felt very uneasy about the bible readings where horrible events some of which directed by Jehovah were read out loud and I would look around at the rest of the cong and think am I the only one feeling squeemish about this awful story? Am I the only that thinks there is something terribly wrong with this picture?

  I would excuse it away in my mind with things like we don't know all the circumstances or it was a different time or this is just a retelling of events it probably pained Jehovah greatly or discipline is needed sometines......so on and so forth all the usual excuses to try and reconcile "God is love" with these accounts. If Hitler's atrocities made him a "monster" .... why is God-sanctioned violence against the innocent excused? Don't understand.

  Surely violence is violence is violence?
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  Introduction - Any Believers?

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

  i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

  i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

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  OLI - yeah, about a month is all it takes to get over the horrors and trauma of war. I believe I read that in a Psychology magazine. No, no, wait a minute, it was in a I am an Ignorant Dick magazine.
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  Need advice

  by Drwho in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i'm a middle aged man.

  i dated a jw lady for 3 months ., we never had sex, just made out , half naked , well everything except underwear .

  she has been a jw for 40 years ., was married to a jw but he committed adultery 13 years ago so they divorced .

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  No worries Giordi -😉
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  Who are the "Inactive"?

  by thereishope in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this was my starting point in this journey of rediscovery, and i've made great strides, but here i am again asking the same question.

  all this talk re the rc and the shunning of the inactive ones.

  there is no announcement made obviously about "shun sister so-and-so, as she is inactive.

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  The Inactives are the second lowest of the castes with the Disfellowshipped being the lowest caste.

  Inactives are allowed to converse with higher castes and sit with them during indoctrination sessions but higher castes like the Regulars may decide whether they wish to acknowledge the existence of the Inactives or not.
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  Cart "Witnessing"

  by Funchback in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  besides being a waste of time for those doing it, and being an easy way for the society to inflate its reports of time spent in the ministry, cart witnessing is also taking up space.

  i live in a hot city in brazil.

  today, the jws decided to set up their cart in the shady spot of the bus stop, where people going to work have to wait for the bus.. ugh!.

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  I have to ride past a cart on my bike every wednesday and the same old vinegar tits sister that persecuted me at the hall sits there pretending she doesn't see me. I thought of taking a longer alternative route, but then thought screw em I 'm not going to let them dictate my day.
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  More misleading content on JW.org

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is “the end of the world”?the phrase “the end of the world,” which appears in many bible translations, can also be rendered as “the conclusion of the system of things,” or “the close of the age.” (matthew 24:3;english standard version) it refers, not to the destruction of the earth or of all humanity, but to the end of the framework of human society.—1 john 2:17.. conveniently leaving out that according to current numbers and doctrine, 8.000.000 people will survive at max.. technically is not a destruction of all humanity....but it comes so close it deserves to be mentioned.. of course it isn't mentioned, because that would sound so extreme, cultish and unkind.

  we wouldn't want people to get the right ideas about jw.organization now, would we?.

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  If An Organization Really Believed It Had the Truth...

  by xjwsrock in

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  2. beliefs

  ....it would not be scared of critics.

  actually they would naturally take an offensive stance, wouldn't they?

  they would welcome debate... even encourage it.

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  Tony Morris vs Bill Maher.

  Better yet

  Lett vs Stephen Colbert
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  Printing presses, bye... bye...

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  bye... bye.... no more new printing presses for jw.org... the growth is so tremendous (irony...).. all printing work in europe will be arrange in the next month only in selters (germany), but no renovation or upgrading in printing presses is expected... it will be a full outsourcing :).

  a worldly company axel s******* will be used.

  this company is known to be printing bild newspaper... the interesting part of it is the logistics will be as well outsourced.

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  What will this set a precedent for I wonder. Outside cleaning contracts? Building companies?

  If they can start outsourcing the printing which was like the holiest of WT's prized sacred cows and proof of holy spirit then they can outsource anything.
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  2016 convention "movies". Propaganda, pure and simple....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no doubt all are familiar with the 2016 convention video movies being shown?.

  (if you haven't seen them, go to cedars youtube channel to see them in full).

  they are the most disturbing, emotionally manipulative, propaganda pieces ever seen.. thoughts?.

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  Someone should alert the local newspapers to make sure they go on Friday. 😉
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  If An Organization Really Believed It Had the Truth...

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ....it would not be scared of critics.

  actually they would naturally take an offensive stance, wouldn't they?

  they would welcome debate... even encourage it.

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  Didn't the apostles supposedly actively seek debate then why wouldn't the GB?

  The answer as you say is obvious if they encourged genuine questions and intelligent debate it would quickly become obvious that their whole belief system is a house of cards, a row of unstable dominos unprotected from even a gentle breeze of facts, reasoning and logic.