i am interested in finding out on a small scale the extent of which shunning has impacted on you personally.. my own experience is that when i faded about 12 years ago.
the woman whose house the book study was held at (and who was virtually a neighbour) walked right past me in my own street.
i remember it so well.
Not DFed.
Not DAed
Not "known" as apostate.
My crimes? Inactive and not at meetings. I am shunned with impunity even by people I barely knew.
If you asked any one of these people any doctrinal question and the smart money is on them not being able to answer. But ask them for a list of who they are not supposed to associate with and they would be able to rattle off a list of names no worries at all.
steve2: is there some way this can be presented so that it is crystal clear what was actually in the demonstrations and what was added?
i guess some will think it should be obvious - but this is where misunderstandings arise because we end up wrongly attributing something to jw organization that was never said.. circuit assembly theme: maintain love for jehovah!.
note to speaker: warmly encourage young ones to prove their friendship with jehovah by observing his commandments and defending his standards.
Why are they picking on lesbians anyway, girls are not allowed to have any positions of responsibilty within the borg. Though I suppose they hate it when women get all uppity by wearing trousers but even so surely gay men pose more of a threat to their male centric witness world.
someone recommended "the santa clarita diet" to me at work, and when i got home and watched the trailer, my wife and i both sat down and binged through the whole thing.... https://youtu.be/xjrnbogoauq.
thematically, the show is all about rebirth.
sprinkled throughout is the idea that when something changes in your life, you just have to be bold and run with it.
I enjoyed Santa Clarita more than I thought I would.
Loved the OA.
steve2: is there some way this can be presented so that it is crystal clear what was actually in the demonstrations and what was added?
i guess some will think it should be obvious - but this is where misunderstandings arise because we end up wrongly attributing something to jw organization that was never said.. circuit assembly theme: maintain love for jehovah!.
note to speaker: warmly encourage young ones to prove their friendship with jehovah by observing his commandments and defending his standards.
Oh I get it, the running men of the convention theme are running away from all the disgusting lesbians.
"Don't Give Up and Put On Some Clothes." Are the runners wearing anything?
That demo is a classic. I love the way in the end the JW be like "Forget about Ashley and Jessica it's all about me!" lol.
as in today's study.... 18 to lie is to say something untruthful.
(as in millions now living will never die, this generation will by no means pass away, allegations of pedophile abuse of children in congregations is apostate lies) however, jehovah wants his people to go beyond not telling outright lies.
he urged the ancient israelites: “you should be holy, because i, jehovah your god, am holy.” then he gave examples of being holy.
Yes considering the WT's track record such lessons on honesty from them are real "am I taking crazy pills" moments. I suppose it's possible they're so delusional they are incapable of and hearing themselves.
My questions about this article and the broadcast which said the same things is what are they really saying and just who are they directing the counsel at?
Are they saying they know that there are members who are lying? If so, lying about what?
Are they talking to closet faders/apostates?
Just what is the subtext of this lesson on lying?
Is it just to instill more fear, blame and shame in the minds of the congregants?
Or, is it misdirection/deflection they know people are calling them liars so they come back with "you're the liar" ?
i seem to remember many talks and articles in the past about repeating rumors.last night before going into the book study the conductor said something to the effect, "i heard a rumor and i don't know if it's true but the rumor is that in the future we will be using only;y videos at the door.".
anyone else heard this "rumor"?.
and whats up with repeating rumors from the platform?
Can't say it would surprise me if they went to videos only at the door and at the meeting.
I don't think the GB trust the elders or the publishers to say the "right" thing anymore.
should others make decisions for us?.
) we should not give someone else the responsibility to make decisions for us.
rather, we should personally learn what is right in god’s eyes and choose to do it.. how might we give in to the danger of letting others choose for us?
Jws ability to filter out irony is stunning.
Seems to me that whenever they go on about this "each one responsible for his own decision" doublespeak it's because in a typical WT roundabout fashion they are saying what not to say.
Stuff like "I can't take blood because the WT says so" or "I didn't call the police because the elders discouraged it."
They want you to say "this is my decision not to...(fill in the blank).
i remember once in berlin south germany there was a local needs part for the men only, and how they should use the toilet.
in all seriousness for ten minutes a retarded nigerian was going on about how men need to sit down when using the toilet.
no mention of anything else.. it transpired that some little kraut boy from an "interested" family would aim for the side of the toilet and leave a great big puddle for others to clean up.
First off I'd like to say I don't think any particular nationality has the monopoly on the silliness of local needs talks nor has nationality got anything to do with it- just sayin.
Anyway......
We had a local needs about not leaving big-ass meeting bags in the aisle because a mic-runner tripped over one during a fast paced WT study lol.
No local needs about safeguarding your children against predators though.
Well at least they got their priorities right.
the american psychiatry association lists nine symptoms – if someone ticks five of these, they could have narcissistic personality disorder.
the nine points of narcissism.
has a grandiose sense of self-importance.. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.. believes that he or she is ‘special’ and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people.. requires excessive admiration.. has a sense of entitlement.. is inter-personally exploitative (takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends).. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.. .
Good point STA.
Conversely, sometimes being surrounded or raised by narcissists can make you determined not to become one.
