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1984 - special meeting for old timers - do you remember?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

i felt privileged to be invited to a special meeting which was earmarked only for publishers in good standing who had been baptized at least 25 years.

i was baptized 28 years (yes i was quite young) and clyde was baptized 25, but he refused to go.

it was all organization, organization, organization.

Bonnie_Clyde

I felt privileged to be invited to a special meeting which was earmarked only for publishers in good standing who had been baptized at least 25 years. I was baptized 28 years (yes I was quite young) and Clyde was baptized 25, but he refused to go. It was all organization, organization, organization. I remember Lyman Swingle babbling on and on and on. He ran at least 45 minutes overtime. That did upset me. I commented about that while out in service a few days later, and one of the sisters chewed me out, saying, "Who are we to question a member of the Governing Body." I simply commented I remembered a circuit assembly program designed by the Governing Body that emphasized the need to end our meetings on time, as it could stumble unbelieving family members.

I'm trying to remember the reason for the meeting and can only conclude it was because we reached 70 years from 1914. I could swear that meeting was held in the fall of the year. Maybe they thought Armageddon was going to hit.

Anyway, I wish I had stayed home with Clyde. He was much smarter than I.

Bonnie

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Rutherford and Elevators -- All Others Use the Stairs

by VM44 in

during the olin moyle court case, some of the "jehovah's witnesses" witnesses were asked on the stand if they knew if the elevators were held at ground floor at lunchtime so that rutherford would not have to wait to use them when he returned to the building.. other people had to use the stairs; the elevators had to be kept ready for rutherford.. the jw witnesses denied knowing anything about this.

but in reading the transcript of the trial, one gets the impression that none of the jws wanted to admit anything negative about rutherford, for instance, that rutherford would give "trimmings" (verbal scolding) to individuals at lunchtime was not readily admitted by even clayton woodworth, a person who had direct experience being reprimanded by the "judge"!.

trying to get info from the witnesses appeared to be like squeezing water from a stone!

Bonnie_Clyde

There was unabashed creature worship back then. I have some Watchtowers from the late 1930's and he loved to print letters from the rank and file telling how wonderful he was.

One thing I remember off the top of my head was his "suggestion" that everyone get at least 60 hours a month in. Some people commented that they realized that this "suggestion" was really from Jehovah.

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Bonnie_Clyde

Question to Seeker4:

I'm in the dark. Who is Merton Campbell?

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Bonnie_Clyde

"I agree that there is hardly anything that could be revealed that would empty the KH's. Others have well stated the reasons why. I would be happy if we can just release a small percentage of the current JW's (perhaps some family members) & give prospective victims one more thing to add to the negative side of their paper as they do their research. If we can stop the growth, that is accomplishment in itself. So lets not be discouraged if we don't see a stampede for the doors."

I can think of one thing that could help empty the KH's. A class action lawsuit that would cause legal action against the elders. Then elders would not only be stepping down (or deleted), perhaps losing their homes. As far as replacements, who would want to fill their shoes? This could cause great chaos in the congregations. Well, perhaps that's just imagination.

Bonnie

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Bonnie_Clyde

I remember studying that Watchtower! I totally believed it. Remember mentioning a couple of the points to my doctor. He laughed at me.

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Bonnie_Clyde

IMO, whether the new scandal would affect the witnesses more than "worldly" people, or the other way around, would not make so much difference as how much the press decides to push the matter. Most witnesses hate bad publicity, at least I did. I can remember after the 1975 fiasco that I hoped that the press would not get ahold of our wrong prediction.

About 1986 I saw an article in our local newspaper about a couple who read the book "Crisis of Conscience" by Raymond Franz. I remembered Raymond had been deleted from the Governing Body, but didn't realize till then that he had written a book. Remember, back in the 80's we did not have the Internet. When they took the information to the elders and to their children, they were immediately disfellowshipped, and the article told how their children had nothing more to do with them. That article made me cringe, however I continued on. It stuck in my mind, however, and finally in 1998 I had the nerve to go on the Internet and type in the search words, "1975, Franz, Jehovah". I knew when I went on that I was going to a place of no return. The Internet has opened my eyes in a way I didn't even believe possible.

I love the Internet!

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Bonnie_Clyde

Ian - I read your post and have an inkling of how you must feel. Clyde and I lost one daughter, not two, but our two sons and one daughter-in-law are now closer to us than ever. For that I am grateful. I'd like to think that this new scandal could make a difference with our daughter, but she is very staunch--so was I at one time. A lot of her stubbornness was ingrained by my own teaching and example, so who do I have to blame? I have dozens of other witness relatives who have little or nothing to do with me. (We have six generations of witnesses in our family). I don't miss them much, but I do miss our daughter. I'm not disfellowshipped--yet. They will speak to me, but all are VERY cool.

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Bonnie_Clyde

Ian - Clyde and I would like to read your thread. How do we find it?

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

Bonnie_Clyde

What would strike fear into the heart of the organization any more than an attack on its most sacred and beloved object--its wallet? Therefore, how about a multi-million dollar class action lawsuit?

Clyde

Clyde doesn't post very often, but I want to tell you he is very discerning. Early in the 1970's, without any other person influencing him, he figured out that there was dissension at Bethel, that there was not full agreement in the Governing Body. He figured it out simply by reading the WT publications prior to 1975--particularly the emphasis, then de-emphasis, emphasis, then de-emphasis on a date for the end of this system. I could hardly believe it when I started reading Crisis of Conscience many years later. I read it before I even told him that I had the book. Then I went to him and said, YOU WERE RIGHT!

Let's see if he's right on this one.

Bonnie

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Scan of 1968 KM that praised people for selling homes (for 1975)

by AuldSoul in

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can someone please provide scan of 1968 km that praised people for divesting their worldly good to spend the remaining years in full time preaching?.

auldsoul

Bonnie_Clyde

That 1974 article got me in trouble. My daughter and son-in-law came back from the district assembly in 2004 and m son-in-law mentioned that there was a comment at the assembly about how foolish it was that there were witnesses selling their homes and property prior to 1975. That comment hit a nerve with me and I said, "Well the Society was encouraging us to sell our homes." He looked at me incredulously and said he didn't believe that. He would have to see it in print. I told him it was in a Kingdom Ministry prior to 1975 and could get it for him. I also made the mistake of also mentioning the flip flop regarding Sodom and Gomorrah and also that I still wasn't sure if it was OK to vote. He looked at me intently and made the statement, "Well there is a faithful and discreet slave." I realized right away that I better stop so I didn't say anything more

However, they went to my elderly father and reported what I had said. They also told him I had questioned the faithful and discreet slave. To make a long story short, my father decided to give his home over to my daughter, his granddaughter. All the years of taking care of my father (and mother who died a couple of years earlier) meant nothing. I am now an outsider, even though that was the only time I have ever opened my mouth.

Bonnie_Clyde

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