Interestingly, my new daughter-in-law is loosely connected with 7th day adventists. Two days ago I visited her aunt who is into the religion a little more than she is. I asked the aunt if she had ever heard of William Miller. She said, "Yes, The Great Disappointment." I said, "Oh you've heard of that? I understand that the Witnesses and the 7th Day Adventists have the same roots in William Miller." I also mentioned it was in 1834, and she corrected me that it was 1844. I mentioned that I bet there isn't one witness out of a thousand that knows about this.
Bonnie_Clyde
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SECOND ADVENTISTS NOT 7TH DAY ADVENTISTS INFLUENCED RUSSELL
by blondie in*** jv chap.
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43-44 proclaiming the lords return (1870-1914) ***the twig, though, had been trained by god-fearing parents; it was inclined "in the direction of the lord.
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SECOND ADVENTISTS NOT 7TH DAY ADVENTISTS INFLUENCED RUSSELL
by blondie in*** jv chap.
5 pp.
43-44 proclaiming the lords return (1870-1914) ***the twig, though, had been trained by god-fearing parents; it was inclined "in the direction of the lord.
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Bonnie_Clyde
Interestingly, my new daughter-in-law is loosely connected with 7th day adventists. Two days ago I visited her aunt who is into the religion a little more than she is. I asked the aunt if she had ever heard of William Miller. She said, "Yes, The Great Disappointment." I said, "Oh you've heard of that? I understand that the Witnesses and the 7th Day Adventists have the same roots in William Miller." I also mentioned it was in 1834, and she corrected me that it was 1844. I mentioned that I bet there isn't one witness out of a thousand that knows about this.
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20/20 Last Night - Elder killed his wife
by cognac inanybody see it?
i thought it was very odd how his mil accused him at the very beginning that he killed her.
i felt like she held back or was hiding a lot.. what were your thoughts?.
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Bonnie_Clyde
So how can I find Snake's post? The last several days I haven't been able to back up to the previous page or even search for Members.
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Trying to annul your baptism, WT says forget about it.
by cattails inthe koolaid wt issue for february has an interesting article about when your baptism can be considered invalid.but the main thrust of the article is aimed at making it super clear that if you were present at your bapt.
talk and answered the two questions then forget about it, elders are put on notice to not let anyone off the hook.but... if you were committing a serious sin and hid it at the time of your baptism, then it was invalid, and point is, they'd still announce you not being "one of j.w.s" so if you plead your case to walk away from the wt saying you didn't know what you were getting into, it will do no good, but it will be grounds for an announcement.just ol' mother wt tightening up loose ends.
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Bonnie_Clyde
"I know kids who were baptized before they even hit the mark of ten years old." Yes, my daughter-in-law's niece was baptized at age 9. Her father objected, but her mother went to the elders who visited the father and set him straight. She is already shunning her cousin that she used to play with, who is not even a JW. There's another kid headed for disaster.
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Feb 15 2010 WT Questions From Readers
by garlic81 inthe article can be listened to from jw.org.
there is more than one question.
the first is about rebaptism.
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Bonnie_Clyde
JW's aren't the only religion. Clyde and I were visited by two missionary Mormon boys for several weeks. They would usually sit on the front porch (summertime), chit chat a little and share some scripturees. Occasionally I would join them. One day one of the boys asked to use our bathroom. So I opened the door, offered to lead him through the house to the bathroom, but he stopped and asked Clyde if he wouldn't do it instead because it was inappropriate for him to be in the house alone with a woman. I had a hard time not laughing. I was close to three times as old as he was. Did he really think I was going to jump him? I can't even imagine the witnesses being that anal.
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Why can't I back up a page?
by Bonnie_Clyde inall of a sudden, there are no numbers at the top so i can go back to earlier posts.
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All of a sudden, there are no numbers at the top so I can go back to earlier posts.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-15-09 WT Study (CHRISTLIKE LOVE)
by blondie incomments.
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Bonnie_Clyde
That part about making and monitoring arrangements to help the elder ones who are sick...hogwash! I can't think of one elder who showed any real interest in my mother during the 6-1/2 years she was sick. Only two or three people in the congregation showed any interest at all, and it wasn't because of the elders, it was despite the elders. My father was the primary caregiver, and one time he was almost reduced to tears because hardly anyone came by to visit. However, at her funeral, the speaker commented about how active they had been in the congregation and how their home had been a "hub of activity." Yeah--they used to have gatherings at their house, used to have lots of friends stop by, book studies, etc--that's when they were able to be of use to the congregation. It all stopped when they got old and sick. That comment almost made me sick.
When we finally had to put mother in a hospice near the end of her life, I mentioned to the staff how bad I felt that one of the family couldn't be there all the time. They asked about our church--if we didn't have a ladies' auxilliary group. I father said, well we have elders. I just about choked. Dad still wasn't getting it. This whole situation was primarily the catalyst that got me out of the organization.
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Faithful and Discreet Slave
by stillin ini'm sure that this has been discussed before, but bear with me while i share my little insight.. the scripture about the fds is found in jesus description of the last days in matthew 24. not in mark 13, nor luke 21. those other writers didn't consider it important enough to include it in their writings.
it is the only mention, as far as i know, of any such "arrangement," yet on face value, if you are just reading the bible, it seems more like one of jesus' thought-provoking rhetorical questions, rather than a part of the sign of the last days.
no "two or three witnesses," yet this one scripture has become a rallying cry for a whole religion, consisting of millions of adherents!.
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Bonnie_Clyde
"The scripture about the FDS is found in Jesus description of the last days in Matthew 24. Not in Mark 13, nor Luke 21. Those other writers didn't consider it important enough to include it in their writings."
Luke 12:42,43: "Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food at the proper time? Happy is that slave, if his master on arriving finds him doing so!"
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Amway
by bobld ineverybody has heard of amway but few are joining.everyboby has heard of jehovah's witnesses but few are joining.both use deceptive tactics to recruit new members.. bob.
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Bonnie_Clyde
I didn't find my experience so bad. It is true we spent quite a bit of money (that part I regret), but I did learn that it was OK to think for myself and that it was OK to be the best you could be, that making money (even becoming wealthy) wasn't evil, also learned about how to get along in a marriage that I never learned from the Watchtower (my marriage wasn't going to well at the time). I really believe that Amway was a significant factor in my finally exiting the Organization. We didn't make much money with Amway (lost a lot more), but the principles I learned helped me grow another business which proved to be a lifesaver for Clyde and I, especially when he had to retire early due to illness. I'll admit that I wish I could learned those principles another way (it would have been a lot cheaper), but at least I learned them.
Bonnie
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Did you Exit the Witnesses Gradually - Or Exit Suddenly - Your Reasons ?
by flipper ini thought it would be good to discuss it to understand what caused some of us to exit suddenly, or some to exit gradually .. myself , i had been in 44 years , had mentally had doubts for years before exiting - but injustices by the elders and my doubts about the " generation " doctrine led me to exit suddenly one night before a meeting.
the elders pissed me off , i went to my seat, picked my books up and walked out - never going back.
so what is your story and reasons ?
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Bonnie_Clyde
I exited gradually. It started when I noticed that the congregation really had no interest in my parents when they got old and couldn't be useful to the congregation any more, despite their having been pillars in the congregation. When my mother broke her leg (she also had Alzheimers), after the initial show of interest, it tapered off almost to nothing. My father was house-bound for several years taking care of her. We noted that several times car groups of witnesses would drive by the house--even calling on the neighbors--but didn't bother to stop to see how they were doing. I would hear comments at the KH Hall that would go like this, "How is your mother doing?" I'd say, "She is in bad shape, but she really does enjoy visitors. It would be nice if you would stop to see her some time." All too often the response, "Well I would but I'm going to be auxilliary pioneering next month."
Then I got an elder's visit because my hours had dropped off to nothing. I told them that, between working and helping my father take care of my mother, I just didn't have any time. The response was, "Well that's well and good, but we really need to be out in service talking to people who have no HOPE." I wish I had spoken my thoughts right then. They were, "Well my parents sit at home HOPING that someone will stop by to see them."
I don't want to discount a couple of people who did show some interest--one couple came over and sat with her occasionally so my father could go to the meeting, and that took a burden off me. I loved that couple and still do. But one time they went on a 3-week vacation and told me they asked around to find someone to look in on my parents, and no one was interested. That got me thinking, Some people in the congregation will show love, but it's not because of the Organization, it's despite the Organization.