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  T"he Lord says we must cover our territory 4 times in 6 months" - 1943 WT - no excuses

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  well, you know, the end was coming.... do you think this was knorr or franz?.

  http://escapefromwatchtower.com/garage.html.

  the watchtower - july 1, 1943.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I think we would need the original to show to a Witness.

  If I knew how to scan, I would.
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  T"he Lord says we must cover our territory 4 times in 6 months" - 1943 WT - no excuses

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  well, you know, the end was coming.... do you think this was knorr or franz?.

  http://escapefromwatchtower.com/garage.html.

  the watchtower - july 1, 1943.

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  I just found the original 7-1-43 Watchtower in my closet and can confirm this quote is exactly as it was originally written on pp. 205-206. They were much more dogmatic back then--not saying they're not dogmatic now, they just sweeten it up a little more.
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  The Mark of The Beast

  by Kosonen in

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  the bible says that there will come a time when people everywhere around the globe will be forced to get the mark of the beast to be able to buy or sell.

  so those not accepting the mark will get it difficult to even buy food.. and it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead,17and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.18here is where wisdom comes in: let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a mans number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

  -revelation 13:16-18. as beasts symbolises political powers in the bible, so this beast here will be a new political power having power over all the globe.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Just this morning I saw somebody make their 666th post on this board.
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  WT And Hedge Funds?

  by Bangalore in

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  http://www.hedgefundintelligence.com/product/12525/forthcoming-events/investhedge-forum-2010.html?elementid=9148.

  bangalore.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I wonder when these hedge funds hit the fan, how is the WT going to explain this away? Persecution, no doubt!

  Clyde
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  "At least He/She died before 'Armageddon'..." How do you counter this....?

  by ziddina in

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  we've seen this, or have heard of it..... a tragic death happens - often it's even caused by watchtower edicts, like shunning or "no blood" policy.... and the brainwashed - or brain-dead - witnesses resort to yammering watchtower propaganda - "at least he/she died before 'armageddon', so maybe he'll / she'll have a chance at being 'resurrected'...".

  we've all seen the insane level of hypocrisy within the watchtower society... i've several examples in mind, wherein the witness parent shunned a witness child, leading to the child's suicide or indirectly to his/her death, and then the witness - make that witless - parent stands there at the funeral mouthing that "at least he/she died before 'armageddon', so maybe he'll / she'll have a chance at being 'resurrected'..." line of b.s.

  ..... what can one say to block that self-congratulatory blather??

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  OMG - I remember saying exactly the same thing when my beloved uncle died back in 1972.
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  T"he Lord says we must cover our territory 4 times in 6 months" - 1943 WT - no excuses

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well, you know, the end was coming.... do you think this was knorr or franz?.

  http://escapefromwatchtower.com/garage.html.

  the watchtower - july 1, 1943.

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  Well, you know, the end was coming.... Do you think this was Knorr or Franz?

  http://escapefromwatchtower.com/garage.html

  The Watchtower - July 1, 1943

  "In the secret place of the Most High there have been revealed to those who love Jehovah certain great truths which they are commanded to proclaim to the nations. (Matthew 10:27) Among such truths revealed are these:

  That Jehovah is the true God; that Christ Jesus is his anointed King, who is earth's rightful ruler; that in 1914 he took his office, and his first work was to case Satan out of heaven; that in 1918 he began to gather the faithful into a compact company and make known to them that Satan has builder a mighty organization in the earth consisting of religion, politics and commerce; that within a short time the battle of Armageddon will be fought; that, knowing there is but a short time for him, Satan now brings greater burdens upon the people; that in order to vindicate His holy name and save the people the battle of Armageddon will result in the complete destruction of Satan's organization, including all the nations of the earth; that the people must now be notified, and that such notice is not a treat, but is a solemn warning, and those who hear it may receive it or reject it; take it or leave it.

  Those who take Satan's side and oppose Jehovah's truth (as listed above) shall die: those who serve Jehovah shall live forever and obey and honor his holy name.- Dividing The People, page 61-63 (1933)

  God's Requirements For Eternal Life

  				"The Lord Says"
  		1		Special Pioneers must preach 175 hours, with 50 back-calls per month.
  		2		Pioneers must preach 150 hours, with as many back-calls per month and studies that can be properly developed.
  		3		Publishers must meet the quota of 60 hours and 12 back-calls per month and at least one study a week for each.
  		4		All must use territory assignment cards. The cards must be within 20 miles of home location or considered both "foolishness" & "unfaithfulness."
  		5		Must cover territory four times in six months.

  Every organization requires specific instructions for all those who serve in it. In the past the Lord issued his "organization instructions" to his servants through his central agency or channel. Each one joyfully accepted his part therein and faithfully carried it out.

  Now, the apostle says, Jehovah speaks to us through his Son. (Heb. 1:1, 2) The Son has returned as King; he has come to his temple. He has appointed his "faithful and wise servant," who is his visible mouthpiece, and says to those who are privileged to represent him upon the earth, "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations." (Matthew 24:14)

  These expressions of God's will by his King and through his established agency constitute his law or rule of action for the "faithful and wise servant' and for their good will companions today who will dwell upon the earth for ever in the New World. The Lord breaks down our organization instructions further and makes them more practicable buy further instructing us through his "faithful and wise servant." He says, 'Let us assign the field, the world, to special pioneers, regular pioneers and companies of Jehovah's witnesses in an orderly way, sufficient for everyone to thoroughly witness therein, and let us place upon each one the responsibility of caring for the new World interests in these respective assignments. He says the requirements for special pioneers shall be 175 hours and 50 back-calls per month, which should develop into a reasonable number of studies; and for regular pioneers 150 hours and as many back-calls and studies as can be properly developed during that time. And for company publishers he says, 'Let us make a quota of 60 hours and 12 back-calls and at least one study a week for each publisher.' These directions come to us from the Lord through his established agency directing what is required of us; and, for those who really love the Lord are are guided by his counsel, that is a reasonable service requirement. This expression of the Lord's will should be the end of all controversy. It is for your good that these requirements are made; for thereby you are enable to prove your integrity and magnify the Lord's name.

  These directions for the Lord come to us as individuals and as collective units called "companies." Almost everyone who is consecrated to the Lord recognizes that a company requires organization in order to function properly, but not all of these same brethren appreciate the fact that they as individuals require just as complete an organization to carry out their individual responsibilities as the company does. To illustrate; All realize that every company should have a definite assignment of territory in which to witness, but not all appreciate that each individual in that company should have his or her own personal assignment of territory in in which to witness. It is just as foolish for a publisher to

  "It is just as foolish for a publisher to conclude that he can serve the Lord properly without a personal assignment as it would be for a company to decide that it could function acceptably to the Lord without a territory assignment."The Watchtower - July 1, 1943

  Territory Assignment Card "It would be the height of foolishness for them to leave their own city and go to a city twenty miles away held by someone else and try to systematically witness in it." The Watchtower - July 1, 1943

  conclude that he can serve the Lord properly without a personal assignment as it would be for a company to decide that it could function acceptably to the Lord without a territory assignment. A company is required to have an assignment and to systematically work in it from house to house, make back-calls, conduct book studies, and generally aid the people of good-will. They are to carry on all the forms of magazine work in that assignment. They logically hold their own city and such adjacent territory as they can properly handle. It would be the height of foolishness for them to leave their own city and go to a city twenty miles away held by someone else and try to systematically witness in it. Every intelligent person will admit that that would be not only foolishness but rank unfaithfulness to the Lord. The same principle applies to the publisher who refuses to accept the responsibility for a personal assignment of territory and have that assignment as close as possible to his home. The farther away from his home that assignment is, the less time he will have to devote to it and the more difficult it will be to give proper attention to the interest in the territory. Consequently, it is a measure of unfaithfulness to the Lord to thus waste time and energy that belongs to him.

  The time has come when each one must bear his own burden fully before the Lord. With the provisions that the Lord has now made in supplying us with new books, question booklets which contain complete instructions for properly carrying on a study, etc.,, there is absolutely no excuse for anyone, man or woman, to claim to be unable to accept an individual territory assignment and assume full responsibility for it. Those who really love the Lord and are fighters for the New World will not try to excuse themselves on that or any other ground, but will hear the Word of the Lord when he says, Let us do thus and so, and always keep in mind the us includes the Lord, who will be with you in every undertaking (Matthew 18:20)

  The Lord, through his "faithful and wise servant" now states to us, "Let us cover our territory four times in six months." That becomes our organization instructions and has the same binding force on us that his statement to the Logos had when he said, "Let us make man in our image." It is our duty to accept this additional instruction and obey it. But someone will say, "The conditions are different. In the case of the Logos, he could accomplish what Jehovah commanded him to do; but when it comes to covering our territory four times in six months, that is out of all reason. We have never covered it more than once or, at the most, twice in six months. It just can't be don." We have all heard that argument before. And if it were true it would look bad indeed, and would imply that the Lord was asking us to do something that is impossible for us to accomplish. The children of Israel walked around Jericho seven times the last day.

  The territory now being covered on to two times in sex months could very easily be covered for to six times in the same period of everyone took his Kingdom responsibilities seriously. This is not theory, but actual facts based on figures gleaned from a number of companies during the past six months.

  To do this may mean taking time and effort that is now being devoted to "old world" interests and transferring them to New World interests, which are of God and shall abide for ever. The words of the apostle Peter are to the point in this respect: "Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons might you to be in all holy conversation and godliness?" (2 Peter 3:11) Before real progress will be made in increasing one activity we must each one recognize these calls to action as coming from the Lord and applying to us personally, and respond to them wholeheartedly.

  The New World Government is 29 years old. Consequently it should be kept before the minds of the people at all times by calling at their homes and telling them about it, by making back-calls and conducting studies with them, by working business territory and calling on them in their offices. They should be witnessed to on the streets with our magazines, publishers presenting the message of the New World. No matter where they go, the people should have always before them the evidence that the New World Government has begun to function." - The Watchtower - July 1, 1943
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  6000 Years doctrine has a flaw... duh

  by ex-witness in

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  let's see... .the sumerians existed 10000 years ago.. archaeologists have found a settlement in china with evidence of tools and agriculture that is over 1.36 million years old.

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  hmmm.. that's a big difference between 6000 and 1.36 million.... .

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Does anybody know when the WT first came up with the 6,000 year doctrine?
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  To serving elders and anyone else who went to the SM this week ...

  by wannabefree in

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  2. beliefs

  jw serving elders ... did any of you have to handle the part at the sm this week on why jehovah's witnesses are not a false prophet?.

  this part made me livid.

  our most corporate elder handled this part and i felt my self wanting to refute everything he said.

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  Amen Marcus! I was at the assembly in 1966 when they released the book with the chart. I attended the WT studies about "Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975" printed in 1968, I heard our CO on more than one occasion state, "The Society was NOT wrong about 1914, and they will NOT be wrong about 1975." I attended the the circuit assembly with a big sign posted outside the high school, "Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970's." Yes, I heard all the chatter, and I remember the confusion. Like you said, they issued warnings about not looking for a date but they kept talking about the date. I don't know why I didn't leave back then, but guess I still believed in the 70- or 80-year generation lie.
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  1975 For Deniers

  by Farkel in

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  2. beliefs

  1975 for deniers.

  most of today's jws were not members in 1975 or in the 9 years prior to 1975, so they were not eyewitnesses to what really went on during that period.

  i was a pioneer in that period, and i was an eyewitness to what went on.. those jws who are still active today and who were around in that period will typically say it was the "brothers" who "ran ahead of jehovah" and "read more into" the 1975 prediction than what was actually stated.

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  Barbara - Thanks for the information regarding Harry Peloyan. Is he still around?
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  To new Christians on JWN

  by brotherdan in

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  i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.

  this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.

  you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.

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  Brother Dan - thanks for your post. It's been bothering me for a long time, not so much that there are atheists on this board, they have a right to their beliefs, but that they continually suggest that anyone who believes otherwise is stupid and ignorant. It seemed like many are on a mission and I'm tired of it.

  I agree that atheists are probably content, and I know that that most people who believe in God are content. I personally don't come here to decide whether it's smart to believe in God or not. I come here to find out what's happening with the Watchtower and if there's any chance of their demise in the near future.

  Bonnie