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  Hard to Remember but Back in the Ninteen Fifies...

  by new boy in

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  my writing a book about my strange life as a jw.

  i need some help.. does anyone remember when they used to get these charts out at the service meetings which had all the hours, "back calls" and bible studies on it?

  what did they call that?.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Women could not give talks until January 1959...only men.

  If someone was disfellowshipped, they would give the reason when it was announced.
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  Why is it ok for witnesses to go to Church backed hospitals?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  if witnesses should "get out of babylon the great" then why is it ok to go into hospitals that have been set up, and have funding from churches?.

  isnt that a little contradictory or hypocritical?.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  • Kingdom Ministry. November 1964 on page 4.

  Question Box: Should one of Jehovah's witnesses go to a religious hospital for treatment and care?

  "If a hospital is owned by a false religious organization, then it is operated by a segment of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. So those of Jehovah's witnesses who live in an area where they have a choice of hospitals would undoubtedly choose a hospital that is in no way associated with a false religious organization. However, sometimes persons are unconscious and cannot make a choice, or there is no other hospital in the vicinity, or the religious hospital may be the only one equipped to care for the particular thing needing attention. Under these circumstances one of Jehovah's witnesses might go to the religious hospital and pay for care he receives, viewing this simply as paying for services rendered. It would not be the same as making a contribution for the purpose of supporting the false religious organization. Thus, Jehovah's witnesses may go to religious hospitals for treatment and care if circumstances require it and if they choose to do so."

  I was pregnant in 1967 and would have had the baby at the local Catholic hospital, but instead went to another hospital in the same city. About the same time, a brother in our congregation was employed at the Catholic Hospital and his wife convinced him that he should quit even though he didn't want to. They ended up moving out of state because he couldn't find any other employment in the area.

  It wasn’t long before the thinking changed (I never saw anything more in print) Within two or three years I noticed that witnesses were again working at the Catholic hospital or seeking treatment there. I had another baby in 1974 and delivered in the Catholic Hospital.
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  what buzz word from the jw's do you hate & why?

  by Sabin in

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  so my hubby has been on a bit of a roll about the jdubs, we were talking a lot about them & he said the buzz word he hate's the most is "worldly" why?

  because he say's "with that one word they have condemned (according to their believes) a person as being worthy of nothing but death.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Spiritual paradise - haven't heard it lately but it used to really annoy me.
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  Good news to report: Congregations merged because lack of attendance, publishers & field service

  by Khaleesi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so it's official, i am happy to report that we merged with another congregation having the same problem.

  why is it good news???

  because people are either waking up, fading or just not buying into this organization any longer or walking away.... i think many young ones are just not buying into it as much, i see many in the congregation i go to very depressed and some i know personally going thru major depression especially the young "sisters" in their early 20s.... .

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I just found out that 2 congregations in lower Michigan closed recently...Morenci, which is near the Ohio border, and Coldwater. I asked if the reason was because of a shortage of elders and was told no, it was because neither one could afford to remodel. Now both congregations have to drive to Hillsdale, Michigan, for their meetings. The people in Morenci have a 45-minute drive and the people in Coldwater have a 33-minute drive. Too bad the WT can't afford to help them remodel! I understand that neither KH has been sold...yet. Just sitting empty.
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  $10 per pub. Money begging session last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  2. beliefs

  last night, during our "christian life and ministry" meeting, we had a session on local needs.

  elder opened the talk with a disclaimer saying that this was a reminder (cited psalms about how david loved jehovahs reminders).

  he reminded us of how bless we are of having our own local assembly hall.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Well folks! I've been around for a long time and I remember when we used high schools for our circuit assemblies. Some high schools (early 70's) cost $1,000 for the weekend (3 days), others were free...I know that because Clyde was in accounting. Then they proposed construction of an assembly hall with the excuse that it was cheaper than having to pay rent for a facility. Huh!

  I also remember a scripture in Acts (would have to look it up) where we would tell people that early Christians met in school auditoriums and that we follow their example.

  I also remember that we rented a facility for the Kingdom Hall. In our city it was a room above a grocery store and a bar. They finally build a Kingdom Hall in 1959, but it was pretty basic, even had a concrete floor...not acceptable these days.
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  Wanna take a trip to Wallkill and Bethel?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  just got my annual advertisement from illinois international travel (apparently run by jws).

  for $1,199 i can take a tour from september 17-25. why are they printing so much bible literature if the witnesses are supposed to be using tablets?.

  saturday: first stop at new yorks newark airport, then transferred to a marriott hotel.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Just got my annual advertisement from Illinois International Travel (apparently run by JW’s). For $1,199 I can take a tour from September 17-25. Why are they printing so much Bible literature if the witnesses are supposed to be using tablets?

  Saturday: First stop at New York’s Newark Airport, then transferred to a Marriott hotel.

  Sunday: Depart by private motorcoach to Manhattan for sight-seeing tour of New York City. Tour guide will point out interesting sights as the Empire State Building, Times Square, Rockefeller Center, 5th Avenue, Central Park, Chinatown, the Garment District, Wall Street, Ground Zero and much more.

  Optional boat tour to see the Statue of Liberty including all of the Society’s buildings for the boat as you pass under the Brooklyn Bridge.

  Monday: Depart on our motorcoach to visit the factory and Bethel Home at Watchtower Farm to see the latest expansion work taking place at Wallkill to enlarge all the facilities. The bindery line has 33 machines that can produce 50,000 books and Bibles a day or 120 per minute. The paperback book line assembles 100,000 books a day. There are now over 25 million pieces of Bible literature printed annually in more than 360 languages. In the shipping department, you will see how literature requests for over 15,000 congregations in the United States and Canada are processed each month on conveyors that are 1.5 miles long. See how literature is printed differently for those who are in prisons and for those that can only read Braille.

  After lunch, it is a one hour drive to the Watchtower Educational Center in Patterson where the Bible School of Gilead and other schools are held. Since its beginning, Gilead School has sent more than 7,000 missionaries to over 200 lands and islands.

  The Patterson auditorium seats 1,700 for the Gilead graduation, the Bethel Family Watchtower Study and other special programs. Branch committee members from around the world also gather here for an 8-week course designed to unify the work of the Branch Offices.

  Tuesday: Our private motorcoach will travel over the Brooklyn Bridge to visit the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Your tour will begin at the Brooklyn Bethel Office where the work for over 100 Branch Offices is coordinated. This is where the Governing Body is located that handles materials related to the preaching activity worldwide. Under the direction of the writing committee, material is prepared here that will be published worldwide. It is then sent to Branches around the world so it can be translated into different languages.

  Wednesday: As mentioned in the Kingdom ministry, your visit to Bethel will be encouraging and educational. You will see how Bethelites of all ages enjoy working, eating and studying together at the World Headquarter….Encouragement to visit various places in Brooklyn and Manhattan.

  Thursday: Either return to home town or continue to Washington D.C. to visit United States Capitol Building, Lincoln and Jefferson Memorials, Washington Monument, Smithsonian and the White House.

  Friday: Visit the Holocaust Museum which is dedicated to the story of how many people were persecuted by the Nazis. In the resource center there are documents and interviews with Jehovah’s Witnesses who were victims of Nazi rule.

  Saturday and Sunday: Free to visit points of interest returning home on Sunday.
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  Did I imagine a brief thaw in the Watchtower injunction against going to university?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  okay i was talking to an elder and he said me going to university was a bad idea and i should have listened to the society and not gone.

  but i said that when i went to university the watchtower was saying it might not be a bad idea to go to, as long as you do it for the "right reasons", don't associate with worldly people, and keep clear of "damaging ideas".

  but basically they said it was okay, in this "changing world" and job market to go to university.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Our youngest son graduated in 1992 and enrolled in the local university. That was the year that the Society lightened their stance a little. It wouldn't have mattered though but it was nice not getting a lot of criticism. He would have been very unhappy to be a window washer. His income is well into 6 digits
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  Anyone from Plymouth MI or Wayne/Westland or Howell MI.

  by firestillon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just found this site and still finding my way around.

  seeing if there are any old acquaintances here from the areas above.

  i and my wife were in those cities till around 1989. drop a note if you were too or know us.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I knew a Jim Cresman from Plymouth. I think he would be in his 70's now. Can't remember the name of his wife.
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  1991 Elder Manual With Notes!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments have been made suggesting that records about child molesters within the watchtower society are held in congregation files indefinitely.

  what would your understanding be on this subject after reading the statement below?.

  .. "letter should be sent within one week.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I have a copy of the 1991 Elder's manual that belonged to my father (now deceased). I didn't find any of those notes on page 74...just a reference to a 6/90 KM. I think he attended all the meetings, at least up till April1996. I suppose those instructions could have come later.
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  Need list of scriptures that Jesus is only means of salvation

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember a thread not long ago with all the scriptures.

  also one that we have to be witnesses to jesus.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Thank you Splash. Just what I wanted. Clyde wants to show this to his friend who is a UBM. This guy has been married for 50 years to a woman who is still indoctrinated. It's hard to imagine how he managed to sit through the meetings all those years.