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  IC 2014 talk: "A Century of Kingdom Rule Contrasted With a Century of Satan’s Rule"

  by AnnOMaly in

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  a discussion of this talk on friday morning deserves its own thread.

  as i said elsewhere, it was a remarkable one.

  the speaker was manfred vencebi (google him - he's a bethel bigwig) and some of his remarks are real gems.

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  Apognophos - Yes. Exactly! LOL.
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  How long have you known TTATT and continued to participate?

  by LostGeneration in

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  i continue to be stunned by posters reporting on the convention, lamenting the convention, complaining about going in serve-us and meetings, and yet continuing to participate in these activities.. a simple question.

  how long have you done these things, fully knowing it is absolute bullshit?.

  i couldn't handle it for more than six months before i basically outed myself.

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  Hubby about 20 years. Me about 10 years. Children are out too now. The "touching loyalty and devotion" was to our JW families, not the Org. - a bigger picture to be considered; lots of patience and little steps required. There comes a tipping point, however, when it really is time to go, which is different for everyone.
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  Entertainment for International Delegates

  by Listener in

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  bibl3thumper has posted a youtube of the celebrations that took place for german delegates.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvs6_q7rqps&feature=em-subs_digest.

  it's hard to believe that they are now using the kingdom hall to sing pop songs and for dancing.

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  A DRUM KIT? In the Kingdom Hall?

  Songs from Satan's world being sung and danced to? In God's house of worship?

  I'm surprised fire didn't come down from heaven and devour them!

  *** w10 5/1 p. 31 What is a Kingdom Hall? ***

  "So the name Kingdom Hall, which was coined in the 1930’s, appropriately describes the purpose of these buildings—to promote true worship and serve as a hub for the preaching of the “good news of the kingdom.” (Matthew 24:14) Thus, Kingdom Halls are not used for social or commercial activities."

  *** w91 12/1 p. 19 par. 13 Practicing Pure Religion for Survival ***

  "Jehovah’s Witnesses respect their Kingdom Halls and larger Assembly Halls as places dedicated to Jehovah’s worship. Unlike many churches of Christendom, Kingdom Halls are not social clubs."

  Having said that, it was a really nicely-made, souvenir video (OK I didn't watch the whole thing but skipped parts) and it was good to see a little creativity (and there was only a little but hey, it's a typical cong.) and spontaneity, shaking off some inhibitions, displaying more of their natural personality. They need more of those kinds of gatherings at the KH, imho.
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  "It's not religious..." Wait... What???

  by dynamiterose77 in

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  my friend, mike works as a massage therapist, and there is a woman at the shop that is super-jw-woman and is constantly hounding him with things.. today, he's messaging me and he tells me that she was trying to push a brochure or something on him.

  he said he'd really rather not read a religious pamphlet.. so... she says, "it's not religious... it's from god.".

  isn't that kinda what religious means?

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  "No, no, we're not here to convert you. You can only convert yourself. [Smile]" That was one line we had.

  After the donation arrangement came in, and we came across 'No salespersons or canvassers' signs:

  Householder: "What are you selling?"

  Me: "We're not selling anything. We've come to talk to you about the Bible's hope for the future."

  Often that made the householder relax a little.

  Then one day a man answered with: "Yes you are trying to sell me something."

  Me: [Laughing] "No we're not, we're only here to t... ."

  Man, cutting me off: "You are trying to sell me a religion."

  Me: *ding* "Um, well, um ... " Damn. He's right.

  And there's the one where we'd try to reassure challenging householders that we were very interested in truth and if the truth could be found elsewhere, we would follow it (then we proceeded to reject any home-truths the householder tried to give us).

  The thing is, we really believed what we were saying. I wasn't lying when I said those things. Deluding myself (and consequently the householder), yes!
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  IC 2014 talk: "A Century of Kingdom Rule Contrasted With a Century of Satan’s Rule"

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a discussion of this talk on friday morning deserves its own thread.

  as i said elsewhere, it was a remarkable one.

  the speaker was manfred vencebi (google him - he's a bethel bigwig) and some of his remarks are real gems.

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  So, because there are abuses in technology, it is not a good way to measure progress?

  It's not a good way to measure progress "in this world." It is a good way to measure the progress of the Organization. Hence the trashing of 'worldly' technological advancements while bigging up any technology the Org. has made use of.
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  Open challenge to "Dr" Rolf Furuli and Greg Stafford - DEBATE.

  by Focus in

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  to me af's.

  see below for more on af.

  "prominent" (lol!

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  Antioch -

  problemaddict - I know! Having Antioch/DrivesLikeJehu here! I remember him from Touchstone too (lurking, never joined, can't recall if Wrench ever invited me or not). Some great discussions.

  Phronesis posts on Bnet occasionally - usually on the 'safer' subjects like Trinity-related stuff.

  Newt, yes he's still there touting his fantasy version of JWism - we've had many spats and I like to show him up when he's telling porky pies or passing off drivel as truth. Good fun when I have the time.

  Yes, it's a shame about Solomon. Our last online encounter ... well, he was rather contemptuous of me but no hard feelings as I was an anony-WT-critic who raised his hackles; I did once know a different side to him.

  APOLOGIST (Ed Andrews) - you never heard? Read this!

  Focus, is it paranoia or is everyone really out to get you? Btw, did you know Ros? (Another RIP.)

  Ann (of the 'Memory Lane' class)
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  Tech49: Mini RC 2014 Review

  by Tech49 in

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  i attended the regional convention (district convention) over the last weekend, and thought i would spend a few minutes putting down some thoughts, for your amusement.

  i will bounce around a bit, as my notes and thoughts were a little craaaaazy.. we met at one of the smaller venues on the west coast, with attendance around 7,000.

  (28 baptized.... <.04%) we were tied in to the international convention in arlington, tx.. my first thought, only about 2 hours in, was how much this sounded like a plain old sales meeting!

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  There was the part about not associating with DF relatives. His wording was that we could associate with them and show them respect, as long as we were discreet. (open-ended and non-commital language).

  Cross-referencing: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280840/1/WT-Says-O-K-To-Visit-With-Disfellowshipped-Family-Members-Discreetly#.U7LgHJRdXYk
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  WT Says O.K. To Visit With Disfellowshipped Family Members...Discreetly!

  by JW GoneBad in

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  discreetly!.

  that was the word the speaker used to tell jws at the regional convention that when the need to visit or associate with d'fd family members....okay to do so......only discreetly!.

  on friday morning in the 6 part symposium entitled 'what must be kept in second place?

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  Tech49 has said something similar on his thread:

  "There was the part about not associating with DF relatives. His wording was that we could associate with them and show them respect, as long as we were discreet. (open-ended and non-commital language)."

  I was listening out for a similar statement from the speaker (Gerald Grisel?) at the East Rutherford IC but I couldn't hear one.

  If two different speakers said the same thing specifically in connection to DFed relatives, that would be very interesting. I wish there was an audio or video of it.
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  International Conventions

  by tenyearsafter in

  1. watchtower
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  just saw a facebook post from an acquaintance who just went to the international convention in dallas, tx.

  according to his post, there were approximately 50,000 in attendance on sunday, with 468 baptized.

  there were an additional 9 conventions tied to this one, with an attendance of approximately 100,000 and 609 baptisms total, including dallas.

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  Because of the 'centenary of the Messianic kingdom' hype, along with all the new, shiny things being dangled in front of the r&f at the moment, I would not be at all surprised if there is a spike in baptism figures for 2014.
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  IC 2014 talk: "A Century of Kingdom Rule Contrasted With a Century of Satan’s Rule"

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a discussion of this talk on friday morning deserves its own thread.

  as i said elsewhere, it was a remarkable one.

  the speaker was manfred vencebi (google him - he's a bethel bigwig) and some of his remarks are real gems.

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  AnnOMaly

  ^ At last somebody's picked up on that! That was one of the gems. He made the point that 100 years ago homosexuality was condemned, then it became widely tolerated, then it became widely accepted. Then he ended with the above statement in DoC's post. It actually sounded like "wildly obligatory" but he must have meant 'widely' (he followed by saying today's 'progressive thinking' has gone 'wild'). "WTH?" was my reaction too and I had to rewind a couple of times to make sure I heard right.