Posts by AnnOMaly

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Service meeting video....what a non-event

by sir82 in

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at our service meeting we saw the video of a jw explaining his beliefs about 1914.. it was.....well, "underwhelming" does not do it justice.

what is below "underwhelming"?

"boringly tepid"?.

AnnOMaly

sir82, the OP's 'how to make toast' conversation is Classic.

(Taking the opportunity for another shameless plug for my parodies HERE and HERE.)

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Watchtower REMOVES "Trinity" Booklet---ONLINE! Video

by BlindersOff1 in

another great catch by "the snarky apologist" on youtube......................................................i'm looking for this pdf can anyone give me a link.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihh1_uc9s4.

AnnOMaly

I keep hearing this about misquotes in it but I never see any evidence of that.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/trinity.php

By saying that there are misquotes in it, are you saying that there is a trinity?

The Trinity doctrine is an explanation which tries to harmonize and make sense of God/Jesus/Holy Spirit biblically and philosophically, and still retain monotheism.

Or is the contention that the Watchtower writers were not being honest in their attack on a doctrine that is false.

Yes. That is the contention.

Those quotes don't mean anything anyway. A person over 1000 years ago said something. Is that supposed to mean anything?

The quotes help in tracing early Christians' ideas about God/Jesus/Holy Spirit and how the Trinity doctrine evolved.

The only thing that means something is that God himself says it or if Jesus says it.

OK, but then you have to tie all the texts together to form a consistent whole. That is hard to do when you're faced with verses that apparently contradict each other or are ambiguous.

Then if someone was inspired by God to say it.

The others such as apostles, Paul, Peter, James, Jude, John (except for Revelation) were not inspired. And those after them were

not inspired. What they said matters not.

It does matter if you are a Bible-believing Christian because the epistles and Revelation are understood to be inspired.

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is the big show on 1914 at Service Meeting evidence of factions in the GB?

by Wasanelder Once in

sometimes the gb do end runs around each other, as when freddie franz didn't agree with the whole governing body concept and spoke against it at the gilead graduation.

could this video/demonstration at the service meeting tonight on why they believe in 1914 and how to explain it to others be an effort to bolster that belief because there is a challange coming against it by factions within?

i guess we can't really tell but i wouldn't put it past the boneheads running the society.

AnnOMaly

Could this video/demonstration at the Service meeting tonight on why they believe in 1914 and how to explain it to others be an effort to bolster that belief because there is a challange coming against it by factions within?

Sure. It happens periodically.

When there were murmurings about 1914 and chronology in the aftermath of Russell's death and the end of the war, Rutherford shouted down the dissenters, dug his heels in, and made adherence to Russell's chronological scheme a test of loyalty to the Society in a series of articles in 1922.

The 1960s saw many and more detailed articles about chronology. JWs like e.g. Max Hatton had corresponded with the Society and asked them lots of awkward questions they couldn't satisfactorily answer. (We need to remember also the 1975 thing was launched which focussed on the WT's 'Bible chronology' too.)

Carl Jonsson's findings rattled HQ in the late '70s and so the WT views were restated and 'defended' in 1981's Kingdom Come book.

Age of the internet, lots of discussion, criticisms, Furuli's nonsense and 100 long years since the Kingdom's alleged birth - all this exposure makes JWs look at and/or question WT chronology, especially now. The WT response? Do what it's done in the past. Put on its game face, thump the same tub, quash doubts and ensure the r&f unitedly toe the party line.

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PART DEUX: AN ALTERNATIVE CONVERSATION WITH A NEIGHBOR - Watchtower, November 2014

by AnnOMaly in

the second contrived and unrealistic conversation that one of jehovahs witnesses imagined having with a neighbor in the november 2014 watchtower will not be reproduced here.

instead let us imagine the other witness named andre (sorry, i meant) cameron has returned to the home of the other man also named jon.. nebuchadnezzars dream a tortuous recapcameron: hi there, neighbor!.

jon: whoa!

AnnOMaly

A for this one too.

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AN ALTERNATIVE CONVERSATION WITH A NEIGHBOR - Watchtower, October 2014

by AnnOMaly in

the contrived and unrealistic conversation that one of jehovahs witnesses imagined having with a neighbor in the october 2014 watchtower will not be reproduced here.

instead let us imagine another conversation another witness named andre (ahem, sorry) cameron has at the home of another man who is also named jon.keep searching for a suckercameron: jon, ive really enjoyed the regular discussions weve been having about the bible.

* the last time we spoke, you raised a question about gods kingdom.

AnnOMaly

The 'Conversation' is being reviewed in the Service Meeting this week so ...

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Taking on Jehovah's Witnesses fake Child Safeguarding Policy in the UK

by Watchtower-Free in

found this on youtube.

this is louise goode .

shes also on facebook.

AnnOMaly

The link in your thread, besty, made a comment that I suspect may be applicable if the CC were to come down hard on the UK Org over its dealing with child abuse. Would the Org genuinely change its ways to better protect children? Hmm.

The Brethren are silently laughing at the Charities Commission. They aren't about to change their hard and fast rules- but they will bend rules temporarily and pay lip service through their PR gurus and Lawyers. They will wait till all the fuss dies down and they will continue to enjoy the benefits of being a registered charity and so-called religious organisation .

But t hey can never meet the broader stated expectation s of the CC and they never will. They don ' t intend to either. Theirs is the highest power in the land and they say so too.

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Taking on Jehovah's Witnesses fake Child Safeguarding Policy in the UK

by Watchtower-Free in

found this on youtube.

this is louise goode .

shes also on facebook.

AnnOMaly

Robert, surely the Charity Commission can revoke the UK Org's charitable status if they repeatedly don't comply? That'll be scary enough for them (after all, it's all about the tax breaks, yes?).

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Taking on Jehovah's Witnesses fake Child Safeguarding Policy in the UK

by Watchtower-Free in

found this on youtube.

this is louise goode .

shes also on facebook.

AnnOMaly

Information on the requirements of UK charities with regard to safeguarding children.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safeguarding-children-and-young-people

"How, by law, trustees of charities working with children and other vulnerable groups must promote their welfare and protect them from harm."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safeguarding-children-and-young-people/safeguarding-children-and-young-people

Extracts (other than headings, bold mine):

The revised government inter-agency statutory guidance Working together to safeguard children 2013 came into effect on 15 April 2013 and it is expected that all organisations, including charities, comply ‘unless exceptional circumstances arise’.

[...]

The child protection policy

This is a statement of intent that demonstrates a commitment to safeguard children involved with a charity from harm. The essential inclusions for a child protection policy are outlined below:

the welfare of the child is paramount

no child or group of children must be treated any less favourably than others in being able to access services which meet their particular needs

all children without exception have the right to protection from abuse regardless of gender, ethnicity, disability, sexuality or beliefs

the policy is reviewed, approved and endorsed by the board of trustees annually or when legislation changes

who the policy applies to (ie all trustees, staff and volunteers)

children and parents are informed of the policy and procedures as appropriate;

all concerns, and allegations of abuse will be taken seriously by trustees, staff and volunteers and responded to appropriately - this may require a referral to children’s social care services, the independent Local Authority Designated Officer (LADO) for allegations against staff, trustees and other volunteers, and in emergencies, the Police

a commitment to safe recruitment, selection and vetting

reference to principles, legislation and guidance that underpin the policy

arrangements for policy and procedures review

reference to all associated policies and procedures which promote children’s safety and welfare eg with regards to: health and safety, anti-bullying, protection of children online, and photography
Child protection procedures and systems

Procedures and systems provide clear step-by-step guidance on what to do in different circumstances and they clarify roles and responsibilities. Systems for recording information and dealing with complaints are also needed to ensure implementation and compliance. Child protection procedures should be linked with the Local Safeguarding Children Board’s procedures or the All Wales Child Protection Procedures, as relevant.

The procedures and systems should include:

a named person (and deputy) with a clearly defined role and responsibilities in relation to child protection, appropriate to the level at which s/he operates

a description of what child abuse is, and the procedures for how to respond to it where there are concerns about a child’s safety or welfare or concerns about the actions of a trustee, staff member or volunteer. Relevant contact details for children’s services, police, health, the Local Authority Designated Officer (LADO), Child Exploitation Online Protection Centre (CEOP) for eSafety concerns and NSPCC helplines should be available

a process for recording incidents, concerns and referrals and storing these securely in compliance with relevant legislation and kept for a time specified by your insurance company

guidance on confidentiality and information sharing, legislation compliant, and which clearly states that the protection of the child is the most important consideration

a code of behaviour for trustees, staff and volunteers. The consequences of breaching the code are clear and linked to disciplinary and grievance procedures

safe recruitment, selection and vetting procedures that include checks into the eligibility and the suitability of all trustees, staff and volunteers who have direct or indirect (eg helpline, email) contact with children. In the case of trustees, because of their position within the charity, we take the view that whenever there is a legal entitlement to obtain a DBS check in respect of such a trustee, a check should be carried out. This goes beyond circumstances where the trustee comes into contact with children (endnote). A complaints procedure which is an open and well publicised way in which adults and children can voice concerns about unacceptable and/or abusive behaviour towards children

systems to ensure that all staff and volunteers working with children are monitored and supervised and that they have opportunities to learn about child protection in accordance with their roles and responsibilities. Safeguarding induction training is now mandatory for all those who work directly with children, young people, their families and/or carers

requirements for trustees, staff and volunteers to learn about child protection in accordance with and as appropriate to their roles and responsibilities, including the emerging issues of eSafety, domestic violence, forced marriage, female genital mutilation, children who live away from home or go missing, child sexual exploitation, race and racism and violent extremism
It is important that each charity’s safeguarding policy and procedures are tailored to the type of contact that the charity has with children and it also needs to take into account any particular vulnerabilities of the children with whom the charity has contact; for example disabled children who are at increased risk of abuse; babies and toddlers who are vulnerable due to their age and dependence on adults.

As Louise Goode highlighted in her videos, not only was the safeguarding officer (who is required to be named) unwilling to give his name and the Org unwilling to send out a copy of the policy/procedure, the local elders she met with had no clue about such a document from the UK branch. Local elders are trustees of their congregation - individually registered charities. How can they annually review the policy/procedure as is required by the Charities Commission if they don't know about it? And would this also mean that each congregation should have a named safeguarding officer and deputy?

The Commission says that a complaints procedure, where adults and children can voice concerns, is supposed to be well-publicized. But if the elders don't know about it and if the branch doesn't send out copies of their child safeguarding document or if the only protocols elders know about are outlined in a private BOE letter, how can adults and children in the congregation get to know the appropriate way to voice concerns?

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