Posts by AnnOMaly

They produced Richard Ashe of the Service Department about how to access their computerized database on child abuse issues and child abusers but it was a lot of lame excuses about why it would be too difficult to dig out the needed info.

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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

AnnOMaly

Finkelstein, the 2012 letter was mentioned in the

"NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION OF
PERSON MOST QUALIFIED TO TESTIFY
ON BEHALF OF DEFENDANT
WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT
SOCIETY OF NEW YORK,INC., WITH
DOCUMENTS REQUIRED -
VIDEORECORDED FOR USE AT TRIAL

[...]

"Notice is further given to defendant THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT
SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC., that under C.C.P. ç 2025.230, said defendant has a duty to
designate as the deponent the Officer, Director, Managing Agents, Employees, or Agents most
qualified to testify on its behalf as to the following matters:

[...]

"22.The purpose and intent of the Body of Elder letter dated October 1, 2012.
23. The corporate interpretation of and implementation of the Body of Elder letter dated
October 1, 2012."

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Gerrit Losch's "I DO NOT ANSWER TO WATCHTOWER"

by Newly Enlightened in

in gerrit losch's public statement to the superior copurt of california.

http://www.watchtower.exposed/?p=364.

documents: https://www.dropbox.com/s/49zyexvagn7ux7j/losch%20public%20statement.jpg?dl=0.

AnnOMaly

Oubliette: How do you know this?

Have you seen an organizational chart or something? I'm not trying to be difficult, but even after being a JW for 30+ years, I have no clear understanding or knowledge of their organizational structure.

Oh, you're not being difficult. It's a valid question.

My initial source:

"On April 14, eight days before Schroeder returned my call, a
Witness in New York named Joe Gould phoned the Brooklyn Service
Department and talked to Harley Miller, a member of the five-man
Service Department Committee. [25]

"[25] This committee supervises the Service Department, at that time composed of a staff of
about forty persons."

- CoC, 4th ed., p. 299.

And clues from the WT CD-ROM:

*** w96 12/1 p. 22 The 101st Class of Gilead—Zealous for Fine Works ***
"Leon Weaver of the Service Department Committee ..."

*** w94 6/1 p. 25 Gilead Graduates Find “More Happiness in Giving” ***
"Leon Weaver, a member of the Service Department Committee, developed the theme ..."

(Weaver is named as being on the "Service Committee" as of 9/2014.)

*** w88 9/15 p. 31 A Staunch Fighter for the Truth ***
In September 1977, Brother Poetzinger was appointed to the Governing Body and was able to come to the Society’s world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, somewhat over a year later. He served with the Service Committee of the Governing Body and the Service Department Committee.

(Two different entities here.)

From the BOE letters I have:

1/2/1995 - A change on where Gilead applications should be sent,

"Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society
Attention: Service Committee of the Governing Body [address]"

Letter signed "[WTS] of Pennsylvania for the Service Committee"

Directives to the Congregation Service Committees are often signed WTS of NY or CCoJWs.

The 10/1/2012 BOE on Child Abuse is from the CCoJWs and yet it directs that the Service Department is to be consulted (as well as Legal) in certain circumstances.

Certainly the lines between corporations appear to be blurred. The no-brainer is that the GB has ecclesiastical authority over the practices and directives these other corporations pass on to the bodies further down the hierarchy.

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Gerrit Losch's "I DO NOT ANSWER TO WATCHTOWER"

by Newly Enlightened in

in gerrit losch's public statement to the superior copurt of california.

http://www.watchtower.exposed/?p=364.

documents: https://www.dropbox.com/s/49zyexvagn7ux7j/losch%20public%20statement.jpg?dl=0.

AnnOMaly

As I said on the other thread:

For Lösch's declaration statement to be true he would have had to have bypassed working in the Service Department and assigned to starting work as a Service Committee helper straight from another Department and, as GB member from 1994, he would never have served on the supervisory Service Committee until after February 2014.

Is there any documentation to indicate Lösch was serving on the Service Committee at any time between 1994 (when he became a GB member) and February 2014 (when he made his Declaration)? If he did serve on the Service Committee during that time, then he was perjuring himself when he stated, " I have never supervised ... the U.S. Service Department" because the Service Committee supervises the Service Department. It would be nice to have that evidence though, one way or another.

And regarding him not answering to Watchtower (specifically WTSNY), that may have been true since 1994 - Watchtower answers to Lösch and his fellow GB members, but before then? He was as required to kowtow to Watchtower authority as the next JW.

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

.

AnnOMaly

Well...Losch didn't really lie....or maybe...just a little bit.

He said that he didn't work for the US Service Department. It is a side-step. He is probably claiming that he was still in Austria when he was connected to the service department - not in the US. It is a weasel tactic.

No, he wasn't claiming he was still in Austria when connected to the Service Department. Have a look at THIS POST.

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

.

AnnOMaly

Dumb non-attorney question: Can Losch be prosecuted for perjury for saying he never worked for the Service department, when of course clearly he did, and does?

Is this statement made "under oath"?

My dumb non-attorney answer:

He affirmed under penalty of perjury under the CA laws that his declaration was true and correct.

Would they prosecute him individually for perjury? Not worth it, I'm guessing. The referees/judges deemed that the objections to Lösch's appearing for deposition had no real merit. He was court ordered to comply along with WTSNY. They didn't and were slapped with a hefty multi-million dollar penalty.

And what about this doozy: "I do not answer to Watchtower ... ... Watchtower does not have, and never has had, any authority over me."

Really? Oh, that's been true since 1994. Watchtower answers to Lösch and his fellow GB members, but before then? He was as required to kowtow to Watchtower authority as the next JW.

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The biggest sell off of Kingdom Halls in Britain :Update

by raymond frantz in

the biggest sell off of kingdom halls in britain.

hi guys last night i posted this here but only a few notes as it was quite fresh and only announced lasdt night at the meeting.i have now updated article and included a couple of useful links about this matter .

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AnnOMaly

Has nobody posted the official letter yet?

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

.

AnnOMaly

Note that Lösch stated as being true on February 4, 2014:

"I do not supervise or work for, and I have never supervised or worked for ... the U.S. Service Department."

We began serving at Brooklyn Bethel in July 1990. In 1992, I was appointed as a helper to the Service Committee of the Governing Body, and since July 1994, I have had the privilege of serving on the Governing Body. - Lösch's life story.

The Service Committee supervises the Service Department.

SERVICE COMMITTEE: Those on this committee have oversight of the preaching work and matters affecting congregations, pioneers, elders, and traveling overseers. It supervises the preparation of Our Kingdom Ministry and calls in Gilead School and Ministerial Training School students, later giving them postgraduate assignments. -http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008367

A scan of the Committees' members on the ad1914.com site shows that, as of September 2014, Lösch was part of the Service Committee.

For Lösch's declaration statement to be true he would have had to have bypassed working in the Service Department and assigned to starting work as a Service Committee helper straight from another Department and, as GB member from 1994, he would never have served on the supervisory Service Committee until after February 2014.

Does that sound likely?

No.