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  New Financial Arrangements

  by Joe Grundy in

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  dear friends.

  i never was a dub.

  i am not a qualified lawyer or accountant.

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  AnnOMaly

  Joe, thanks for starting this thread. It's interesting that your spidey senses are tingling about this too, given your background and experience. I'm no accountant and slow on the uptake at times, but as has been said before, it would be great to blow the lid off the WT's financial affairs and take a good look inside to see what the full picture is. All we have are bits and pieces, and feelings of unease which drive speculation.

  haboob48's 'non-profit revitalization act 2013' - putting it into 'idiot language,' how does this specifically affect the way Watchtower does business?

  Btw, the whistleblower policy caught my eye, LOL. I can't see it being implemented for real in the WTS.

  IV. Whistleblower Policy

  Under the Act, every corporation and charitable trust that has 20 or more employees and annual revenue exceeding $1 million in its prior fiscal year must adopt a whistleblower policy that complies with the Act. The whistleblower policy must prohibit intimidation, harassment, discrimination, adverse employment consequences or other retaliation against a director, trustee, officer, employee or volunteer who, in good faith, reports any action or suspected action by or within the corporation that is allegedly illegal, fraudulent or violates any corporate policy. The Act sets forth certain required provisions for reporting violations or suspected violations of law or corporate policies, specifying to whom such violations may be reported and to whom the policy must be distributed. A committee comprised solely of independent directors/trustees may oversee the adoption of and compliance with the whistleblower policy. If no such committee is designated, either the board, the trustees in the case of a trust, or the audit committee must oversee this function.

  Corporations and trusts that have a whistleblower policy should review the policy and, unless it is substantially consistent with the Act's requirements, should amend the policy to ensure compliance. - https://www.skadden.com/insights/exempt-and-nonprofit-organizations-alert-new-york-non-profit-revitalization-act
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  Elders attempted to catch me out

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  hey all,.

  i had two elders just "drop in" yesterday...walked around the back of my house and all....rude....i happened to be home, and opened the door.... one is doing spring cleaning at his house, and so in general chit chat, they spoke of how we all dont need to keep the bound volumes or older mags anymore, as everything we need is on the website or cd rom.... i just casually said, "yes, but its nice to have the originals so we can see the original wording and info".

  one of them snapped his neck spinning so quick, frothed at the mouth and said "what do you mean changes?...nothing changes!!".

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  I just casually said, "yes, but its nice to have the originals so we can see the original wording and info"

  One of them snapped his neck spinning so quick, frothed at the mouth and said "what do you mean changes?...nothing changes!!"

  Even thinking as a loyal dub, I would have looked at them as if they were nuts and told them not to be ridiculous.

  "'Course it changes - all the time! How long have you been a Witness? What planet are you on? Remember the Revelation Climax book - all those revisions listed in the km before the new version got printed? I like to keep my original to see what it used to say. Everybody knows the Org. updates the wording or pictures or whatever as necessary in reprints - not just the mags. Sheesh!"

  Then we would laugh at their silliness and talk about what great weather it is for spring cleaning.
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  COBE cannot be 80 or more

  by fader77 in

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  a new letter no longer allows an elder to be cobe if hes 80 or more.

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  WELCOME Fader77!

  Im an elder working on a masters degree. Ive told lots of the pubs, and even the CO. No response yet. I love pushing the education envelope :) ...

  ... I plan on a PhD next :)

  Good for you! The Org's anti-higher-ed stance is a pet peeve of mine too.

  And thanks for posting this interesting letter. What will they give him instead, I wonder. Secretary is highly demanding and time-consuming, why choose to put an 'age ceiling' on just the COBE position? The given reason doesn't make sense to me. If they want serving elders to take on more responsibility, why not have the COBE position on rotation?
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  Wondering what you guys think about child abuse...

  by bobert in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  to start off, i'm not saying this happens, or doesn't.

  i'm just a bit confused on the subject, and what you guys are always talking about.

  what exactly is it with the wt on the issue of child abuse?

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  While I think there has been a little progress (not nearly enough, though!) in JW child abuse policy over the years since exposés like Dateline and Panorama were aired c. 2002, I agree with you, Kate, that JW attitudes to domestic violence have pretty much stayed the same.
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  Has Harry Peloyan passed away?

  by VM44 in

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  harry peloyan was the editor of the awake!

  magazine for decades.. it has been claimed that he passed away in the year 2005.. but....i cannot find any record for him in the social security death index.. his wife, rose, is listed, but harry peloyan is not.. could harry peloyan still be alive?.

  if he did die, why isn't his name listed in the social security death index?.

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  He was still alive when his life story in the WT came out in the May 1, 2006 edition. He mentioned the recent loss of his wife. If he himself had died before his story was published, there would have been a note at the end of the article.
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  My First "Publication Free" Study...

  by HeyThere in

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  2. beliefs

  was not so publication free.

  do witnesses not know how to talk about the bible without a wt pub to guide them?.

  fist, she tried to get me to start once again in the bible teach book as if i had never said i didnt want to study from the pubs, so i reminded her.

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  Another avenue you could explore with your JW friend - and this argument slapped me right in the kisser at the time (thanks to Marvin Shilmer) - how can JWs say they are 'abstaining from blood' when they are taking from blood in the form of fractions? The blood has to be donated, it has to be stored and processed and fractionated and stored - no end of JW 'prohibitions' are being ignored along the way - until a JW needs it and transfuses those processed and stored fractions that come from a product that was initially to be abstained from!
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  My First "Publication Free" Study...

  by HeyThere in

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  was not so publication free.

  do witnesses not know how to talk about the bible without a wt pub to guide them?.

  fist, she tried to get me to start once again in the bible teach book as if i had never said i didnt want to study from the pubs, so i reminded her.

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  HeyThere:

  ... it was during this part of the convo that she said the stuff about blood giving the recipient the addictions of the person the blood came from.

  Apart from her statement being complete nonsense (as others have already pointed out), when the theological or scriptural arguments against blood transfusions fall apart, JWs (and I did it myself with people) would switch to medical arguments against blood transfusions - the health risks, etc.

  The medical argument is irrelevant. Blood transfusions could be completely risk free and healthy, but if the theological argument stands up, JWs still wouldn't be able to have one no matter how wonderful they are because God's prohibition would be clear. Seeing as the theological arguments are full of holes and inconsistencies, they have to use real, exaggerated or bogus horror stories about transfusion health risks to bolster their case. Don't let your JW do that. Keep doing what you are doing in bringing her back to the scriptural arguments.
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  What happened in Christianity ? O.T prophets were male & female ,God was not gender specific,

  by smiddy in

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  according to scripture they could.

  sure in jw land anybody could partake of the emblems and wine , male and female denoting they could be rulers with christ in his heavenly kingdom , however did many of these partakers actually have any say with the governing body ?

  in fact did any of them have any say in their own kingdom halls ?

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  Acts 21:8, 9 - "The next day we left and came to Caes·a·re′a, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelizer, who was one of the seven men, and we stayed with him. This man had four unmarried daughters who prophesied."

  Romans 16:1, 2 - "I am introducing to you Phoe′be, our sister, who is a minister [Gk. diakonos*] of the congregation that is in Cen′chre·ae,  so that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the holy ones and give her whatever help she may need, for she herself also proved to be a defender of many, including me."

  * The same word is used of 'deacons' at Philemon 1:1; 1 Tim. 3:8, 12

  Romans 16:7 - "Greet An·dron′i·cus and Ju′ni·as [Gk. Junia - a woman's name], my relatives and fellow prisoners, who are men well-known to the apostles [lit. 'notable (ones) in the apostles'- see KIT] and who have been in union with Christ longer than I have."

  This Scripture is more ambiguous regarding Junia's status, but it's interesting that the RNWT still interprets the name as belonging to a male.
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  Wondering what you guys think about child abuse...

  by bobert in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  to start off, i'm not saying this happens, or doesn't.

  i'm just a bit confused on the subject, and what you guys are always talking about.

  what exactly is it with the wt on the issue of child abuse?

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  AnnOMaly

  As far as I know, the elder's book directs elders to immediatly report know pedos to the police.

  You are mistaken. The elders' book directs elders to immediately report to the WTS Branch Office, Legal Department for direction (Shepherd (2010) book, p. 131). The Oct. 1, 2012 BOE letter emphasizes the same.*

  If the law in your state or country is to report all accusations of child abuse to the authorities, then the WTS's Legal Dept will instruct elders to do that. If it is NOT the law to report to the authorities, then the Legal Dept will not instruct that. The accusation/judicial process will be dealt with in-house. However, the elders are instructed not to discourage a family or victim from going to the police but to leave it as their choice.

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  * "Most states have child-abuse reporting laws that, depending on the facts, mandate elders
  to report an accusation to the authorities. Thus, when elders learn of an accusation of child
  abuse, two elders from their congregation should immediately call the Legal Department for legal
  advice."
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  Misquote in the Creation Book

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  2. friends

  my dad came into the jw's because someone studied the "creation" book with him.

  it pains me deeply that he sent me an e-mail recently saying that to keep the peace with my mom, he will stop communicating with me as much as possible.

  i should communicate with him only if i have an emergency.. it upsets me to no end, but i cannot do anything or much about it.

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  AnnOMaly

  In addition to ozbrad's resource, it's worth checking out http://corior.blogspot.com/ under the subheading, "The WTS View of Creation and Evolution" - it's VERY detailed. But there's nothing like discovering the misleading and misapplied quotes for yourself, hey?

  A comment from the site:

  In general, Creation presents an incomplete and distorted picture of geologists' findings and of what evolutionists say. A journal that reviewed the book* said that

  "the anonymous author or authors... of this book not only quote out of context but also fail to show the reader that words, phrases and clauses have been omitted from quotations."

  It commented further that

  "one additional distinction between The Society's book and Scientific Creationism [Henry Morris, Institute for Creation Research] is worthy of criticism. As noted above we find that quotations from scholars in the various scientific disciplines are routinely taken out of context. The result is that scientists such as Eldredge, Gould, Jastrow, Johanson, Mayr, Ruse, Stanley, and Wald, to name a few, appear to the naive reader to reject all aspects of evolutionary theory. The pattern of treatment is like that of Morris; however, The Society goes one step further. It is not unusual for words or phrases to be omitted without the use of ellipses to indicate such changes."

  In essence, Creation attempts to convert scientists' arguments about the pattern and process of evolutionary change into arguments about the very existence of change. Many other Watchtower publications are equally deficient in adherence to the facts or to the intent of the author they are quoting. Interestingly, the 1967 book Did Man Get Here By Evolution Or By Creation? distorted scientists' comments much less than does the Creation book. It is sad that the older book's higher standards have not been followed.

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  *Creation/Evolution, vol. 12, No. 1, p. 30, 33, National Center for Science Education, Berkeley, California, Summer, 1992.