in reading topics and chating with nice people ... i just feel like i want to know all of you .
i'm a 36 woman from paris, no friend (huh !
), no familly (anymore) but a great funny son .
Well you know much more about french litterature than I do ... hope to read you soon
my name is Corinne.
Take care.
reminds :
It's a pleasure to meet you, frenchbabyface. I've been trying to teach myself French for the past year, and have not made any progress. I really need to concentrate on my textbook!
I don't know much about French culture yet, beyond Rimbaud and a few other Symbolists, and Truffaut, and Jean-Pierre Jeunet. I'm learning, very slowly.
GentlyFeral
why i can't anymore : sorry for my poor english, but i've tried hard !!
since the beginning of the time, till the 19th century and more, most of stories and songs for kids, was made to scary them with a moral at the end.
to me, the bible is one of kind of that type of book (for children we are inside).
Well I'm glad, that's for now nobody told me : don't spit on my holy bible ... So NOW I'm not alone anymore ... THANKS to all of you
why i can't anymore : sorry for my poor english, but i've tried hard !!
since the beginning of the time, till the 19th century and more, most of stories and songs for kids, was made to scary them with a moral at the end.
to me, the bible is one of kind of that type of book (for children we are inside).
And how much years did ADAM and EVE in there common life in Eden, how comes that they didn’t had at least one kid in knowing that the first thing that God told them was "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth …” ???
And by the way I’d like to know why God would need to rest? This is so human (what’s being OMNIPRESENT/OMNISCIENT = OMNI-EVERYWHERE and OMNI-AWAKE ? NO?
What kind of relationship did Jesus have with GOD?
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" this sentence of Jesus himself, can have lots of interpretations (if the story is true) let me try two of them
1) Jesus was an illuminated corresponding in a lots of points to what had been prophesied and which at this precise moment fell like Oooops something’s wrong !!!
2) He is the son of God (now that becomes complicated and that can even become very doubtful): Even though he had recover his memory of its former life when he get baptised (with all that that implies in the reasoning) JESUS HIMSELF DOUBTS! Should he ? I guess not. He was there from the beginning? First born of God !
Moreover (Detail which can have its importance): He wasn’t dead yet when said it. Why should he have doubted about anything? Was it a last message for him to say "you screwed me! " Or Perhaps he was thinking that God won’t let him suffering (as well as human !!!). Maybe both …
Maybe he was thinking : I going down to earth to sacrifice myself, but my father will make so that I won’have to suffer badly. (humans do !). Note that in this case Jesus was well briefed about the fact that he would have to suffer for real! (Thanks Dady !!!)
Jesus he supposed to know every details of our anatomy and inevitably the functions of each nerves and should know at which point we can suffer, and our history seems to be the DIVINE interest if we believe them. How much time did they discuss the matter! So this is not logical!
Then if he really said it, in spite of its past with God, does Jesus feel like God is reliable? !!! Now we can have an idea about why many angels choose to follow satan … instead of God ! … those are really terrible thoughts … don’t you think ! BUT …
Jesus by saying this gives credit to all those which rebelled! At God’s place I would mention this in the bible its too DOUBTFUL. Unless he takes us for morons? In which we are allowed to wonder whether he created us or not?
Now, if this scripture haven’t been dictated by God, to me this have been mentioned on purpose in the bible? It’s a way to say: See my people, even Jesus have doubted! So it’s normal that you doubt. Sorry ! I say that this is not normal. He was the first the closest relationship of God, why would he have thought that God could forsake him? As we can see Jesus have some troubles in his relationship with God … in this case ! an Inconsistency remain an inconsistency (period)
Sorry to me, this God is not fair, he only gives credit to "evil", means the right to exist and to act. Everybody knows that sowing evil, you will collect evil? To sow: Is the term adapted enough as regards the forbidden fruit? The incoherence started here !!!
What’s about Job … 7 years of suffering (morally and physically) just FOR A BET !!! (Thanks Dad !) why a story like that in the bible ? … Means : see my people, even if you’re pure, if God don’t answer your prayers, means that satan in the way (you’re so pure that he wants to keep you from God ! less God answer your prayers more your pure maybe !!! … IT SUCKS ! Who would do that to a nice kid ! WHO? Maybe Job was a trial before Jesus … Thanks to Job then … cause maybe God would have change his mind about Jesus sacrifice …
Jesus did not suffer as much as Job in his great sacrifice, he is not even the only martyr we have heard about worst stuff, in the whole history of the humanity, with or without any reason.
A loving God would have say something like that to Satan … Listen you jocker, don’t even try … or I’ll kick your but right NOW ! and I’ll will rebate 77 times 7 days (of God means, we don’t know how much) of your life you MF !
Where is GOD’S GREAT POWER ! Is he so weak psychologically??? This is simply unbelievable. Satan can get everything he wants from him … what about the nice people (hum?)
Other stuff:
Exodus 21: 1 "Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them.
Let’s see how loving this God is …
Exodus 21: 2 "If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years and in the seventh he shall go out free without paying anything.
Ok now we know that God agree slavery … (interesting) … And what’s the ordinances if the slave is not Hebrew … hum ? … More fun maybe … a bit imagination please …
This is racism, division (master and servant), and injustice !
It would have is enough preaching right remuneration and prohibiting slavery to avoid the suffering that it imposed to a multitude of human beings. This is not a detail ! Ah Yeah I’ve forgot …Justice is for later, after you death kids in paradise. Well Once that you will have died, if it’s for good, you will not be able to check …
Authorized slavery only let rich people to take advantage on poor people … Why, so that rich people can give more to the temple … Why should God need monney !!! hum ?
Exodus 21: 4 “If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself”
Ok … now we know that God is CAPITALIST
More now :
Exodus 21: 12-13 "One who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death, but not if it is unintentional, but God allows it to happen: then I will appoint you a place where he shall flee.
Exodus 21: 20-21 "If a man strikes his servant or his maid with a rod, and he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he gets up after a day or two, he shall not be punished, for he is his property.
Well I can’t handle this !!! This is too much … Can anybody tell me what it is all about (WHERE IS THE JUSTICE ?) It’s only about CAPITALISME and INCOHERENCES.
Sorry I just can’t believe in this S… anymore … (So Jah as well)
Little stuff:
Considering what God admit for Job, perhaps it is at this time that Jesus with understood what would go on (for him). He may asked his father to make sure that he wont suffered that much! Then Ooops ! "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" You thought you were going to Dysney World or what? Yeah I’m screwing you like everybody … My son !
David: A whole novel. 300 wifes, 800 concubines, why not 1100 wives. Legal at least, if not ... much bastards ... Yes but bastards of the KING! So what? Do you think this guy was able to satisfied all his wifes … is this a command or not?
Did David have anything more significant to do than married 300 women and claim for 800 concubines? PFFFFF ... Just picture it! And have fun …
why i can't anymore : sorry for my poor english, but i've tried hard !!
since the beginning of the time, till the 19th century and more, most of stories and songs for kids, was made to scary them with a moral at the end.
to me, the bible is one of kind of that type of book (for children we are inside).
Why I can't anymore : Sorry for my poor English, but I've tried hard !!!
Since the beginning of the time, till the 19 th century and more, most of stories and songs for kids, was made to scary them with a moral at the end. To me, the bible is one of kind of that type of book (for children we are inside). The occident who’s leading the world have been feed by it … that’s why this world is the reflection of the bible precepts, very fare from the human nature and love actually ! This is my point of vu. Why?
When I had suddenly tackled again the question of the religion, I’ve open the bible to the book of exodus chapter 20 to analyze the ten commands again (I do not know why I’ve started with that). You will note that even if they’re obsolete they say much more than I thought before. For the first time the unconscious inconsistency I was feeling since always materialized this special day in the form of verse 5 (Exodus chapter 20 In knowing that I’ve read those verses several times without being particularly disturbed before by them).
Ex 20 : 5 “… I, Jehovah your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me”
About which kindness does it speak? How translate this text, b ut by : INJUSTICE ! How can you love anybody which makes you pay the consequences of others faults (indifference), and this only because you are of his descent (inconsistency)? A kind of RACISM in fact …
As human we know that racism gives nothing good! And all psychiatrists will say to you that any punishment not justified and/or non proportional causes psychological disorders of any kind!
God even authorized men to do the same on several generations : what about Noah, because his son disrespected him ? Why God didn’t interfere saying that before to request any respect from his son, he should have pay attention to himself? Who gets drunk like a pig? He should have to assume his own stupidity?
What’s the message here? The father or oldest are always right? We as human being know what it is all about ?
To the JW : Do not tell me that we are not alone concerned (angels and stuff)! It would have been enough to destroy all the protagonists the very same day, to save all the others (angels?) Who would stayed quiet definitively! ... (This is only one solution among so much more!)
For example, why not have attached our free will quite simply! Like he did in the beginning? What’s this vice about the forbidden fruit? Does he take pleasure to tempt us. This is exactly what God have to reproach to SATAN and EVE while having been the instigator of the offence! (Inconsistency - Pride - Indifference) : he is responsible and the first person in charge? Maybe he does not want admit it – but we’re not that stupid he should be also the first to know that! (Bad faith? like Noah!) Is God like that? I just can’t believe it !
"ways of God are impenetrable". Thank you to prevent me, I will avoid to venture in ways of this God. All the specialists in communication will tell to you that if you want to transmit a message it is necessary to be clear. More the message is complicated or illuminated (promises includes), and more there are "whales under rock" or incompetence.
God knows that we are not very smart, but he feels like very intelligent to complicate his message: ok we have to love each other, which is not very easy actually and not really necessary "respect each others" would have been enough! To make so that we respect him? AT LEAST !
Can you get somebody’s love by fear? By respect maybe … by fear … Sorry I doubt! It’s all about insane psychological handling, in totally contradiction with Holy Ghost.
Can you force somebody to love somebody else ? It’s a dictator strategy! Or more simply marketing: create a need to obtain the power; here by fear.
Since we are kids they’ve put this God in our heads! An AVENGER God, everything but fair? "Which makes come the punishment" he says ! - We are victims of his pride? it d oesn't match together (Means, with my idea of real powerful and smart God. This is the description of Satan also NO! Maybe they’re one and only person?
Like my son says : This God is a kind of sneaky! What’s next?
Did God created us just to be loved and honoured by us? In knowing that there’s actually nothing to prove his existence perhaps it is a deliberated choice, and our first duty should be to respect everybody’s life at least ...
My son’s girlfriend found this in “L’enchanteur” from Barjavel
"he was the Unic, he occupied the totality of the space and time, he had created. In spite of that, had well tolerated the other gods, they did not obstruct it, they were scattered, tiny, they were not different primarily from him, they were its own reflection by the mirrors of the life. But an army of priest and monks intolerant raked on his behalf the campaigns, proclaiming he was a jealous god, which was false, on his level one can be neither jealous, neither avenger, nor dispenser of justice. Justice is made by itself in the alive hearts"
That remains coherent … An acceptable assumption …
Which kind of relationship are we supposed to have with GOD? It is interesting to wonder why GOD would need humans to feel good (being honoured, and loved). For us 2 assumptions (lots more possible)
1) To satisfy his pride? (It’s a sin of pride!)
for an example, it’s an example … !!! So why did he gave us the free will in this case if we don’t have any choice? … And why did he created us in is image?
If we only consider Adam and Eve’s example, in knowing that we only use 5 % of our intellectual original faculties and are limited to 120 years of live. If Adam and Eve 100 % perfect, at I do not know which age, while living in a paradise failed ; In knowing that they were intimate with God himself and talked with him? How could we resist to sin and not doubt? Under the conditions that we are living our relationship with God ? !!! (it cannot be more blur and more contradictory?) (OBVIOUS INCOHERENCE/INJUSTICE/ERROR OF JUDGMENT/LACK OF SENS OF MEASUREMENT? Gizz where is our perfect GOD?
And during the years that ADAM and EVE had a common life in
in reading topics and chating with nice people ... i just feel like i want to know all of you .
i'm a 36 woman from paris, no friend (huh !
), no familly (anymore) but a great funny son .
You're so sweet ... I'm sending you personnal message (for thanks) and hope to get a chance to chat in the near futur ... Kisses
did know how to seek my post answers, was thinking that you forgot about me ... (paranoï !!! ) thanks again
was there anything in particular that made your stomach turn upside down in knots while you were a jw ?????.
armageddon ???.
giving talks ???.
endless counsel from elders ... in knowing who they were for real ! ... I couldn't take it and was upset that my mother (quite weak) was always following them ... in knowing that they were leading my mother, sisters and me to be bad !!!
Field Service (only did once at 7) ... bothering people telling them that We've got the TRUTH !!! in knowing what I've just said before (but I was answering when people I knew wondered about JW believes) ... meeting (Ooooooh my ! too much for me, I missed some time to dream my only peace of cake in this world at that time)
but I really had faith in God ... (and didn't care about anything like chrismas or stuff like that, or what people could say about me or my religion) it's all over now ...
being brought up in the borg, i always envied my friends that did not have to go in service, go to meetings, and waste their weekends away, i have never really been able to understand why someone would join the jw's unless they were born (forced) into it.
aside from maybe coming from an abusive lifestyle or relationship, or had serious drug/alcohol problems, this i could understand how the religion helped them get back on track.
so why do people join ???
to me it's all about hope, fear and weaknesses
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lotsa newbies here.....i keep trippin' over yall when i'm readin' posts....why don't yall check in here and introduce yourselves?
we'd all love to hear from yall, dontcha know..... frannie b
Sorry didn't read your post before to sen mine ... Hi everybody
last night we had a hell of a storm here.
there was thunder, lightning, pouring rain and wind.
personally i love stormy nights, cuddled up to hubby in a warm bed.
So funny ...
actually I've only did once, I was 7 and it was a rainy day with an old and very sick brother (a lovely man) ... After that first trial (that I've got the picture of it all)... I thought NO WAY ! Neither my mother nor my sisters could force me to anything ... rather be punished ... And I've been so much (I was still loving Jah), but you know what ? I didn't care at all ... My familly called me "insensitive" which is very interesting !!!
in reading topics and chating with nice people ... i just feel like i want to know all of you .
i'm a 36 woman from paris, no friend (huh !
), no familly (anymore) but a great funny son .
in reading topics and chating with nice people ... I just feel like I want to know all of you ... Too much I guess ... wathever
I'm a 36 woman from Paris, no friend (huh !), no familly (anymore) but a GREAT funny SON , no husband (so what ?), no lover (either). Actually it's a bit frutating ... most of all I'd like (NEED actually) to talk to women (such a long time now ), men are allowed of course. It's only about sharing thoughs anyway
Thanks to everyone ...
