The letter is here and scanned, see post of darkspilver.
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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sp74bb
Thanks darkspilver for sharing the docs.
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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Letter sent today to the Ministry of Justice...
Spain Bethel sent a letter recently last Oct 3 interpreting that no elder or SM should request a Certificate of Sexual Offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids. Again JW.org interprets the law to their behalf.
A group of Elders in Madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!
Translation here below...
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Ministry of Justice
Office for Relation with Confessions.
Madrid.
I contact with you as an elder and spokesman for a group of elders (or local pastors) of Jehovah's Witnesses. I practice from my childhood this religion and it gives me a Christian vision for my daily life.
The official entity in Spain, Christian Witnesses of Jehovah sends (via email, via the jw.org website, with maximum security protocols), instructions on the so-called judicial committees, protocols to handle cases of sexual abuse of children within local congregations and clear instructions on how we keep all information about these alleged crimes, instructions for members who have suffered harassment and how to report (in a peculiar way, trying not to leave traces or traceability) always at the national Spain headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses, in his office in Ajalvir.
On Oct 3rd, the headquarters in Spain sent the letter attached, clarifying that we should not apply for
Certificate of Sexual Offences
even if we have worship activities with children (meetings, teaching schools).
I am a spokesman for a group of elders from Madrid, we are very anxious for the publicity given on the thousand cases of sexual abuse in Australia (we always talk about our worship), and the research in the UK together with the information we are reading in different newspapers.
We have found that the national headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses moved instructions in a particular language, but the final instructions are given to us in a particular school for Elders, and finally all legal responsibility finally seems only to be ours.
We know that the world headquarters has secret files with tens of thousands cases of child sexual abuse never reported.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/2119903.stm
As a minister of religion of Jehovah's Witnesses, dealing with childrens, should I apply for the certificate? What responsibility is ours on the unsigned letter (common in the instructions given to us via the jw.org ntranet, where all have an email account) issued by the Jehovah's Witnesses in Spain confession.
Faced with such a complex situation, soon will deposit in the register of the Ministry of Justice a copy of all instructions received during the past five years, also copies of digital media with all instructions. We will send this letter as well to Commissions of Justice and Home Affairs both in the Senate, and Congress of Deputies, and all documentation to members of the European Parliament.
Best regards.
Group of Elders of Jehovah's Witnesses in Madrid (Spain)
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Homophobia in the name of Jehovah
by sp74bb inwww.elperiodico.es newspaper has written last night 3 different posts regarding homophobia within the borg.... http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/historias-homofobia-testigos-jehova-5438263.
google translation:.
wednesday, october 5, 2016 - 21:42 ist.
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sp74bb
Sorry for the duplication :(
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Paul Marshall, exJW: "The are more concerned about gay men than pedophiles"
by sp74bb inpaul marshall, an britton exjw speaks out for www.elperiodico.es, including a video in english.. http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/paul-marshall-extestigo-jehova-les-preocupan-mas-los-gais-que-los-pederastas-5454461.
google translate:.
paul marshall's mother was cleaning the dishes when he, with 9 years, asked what was a "homosexual".
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sp74bb
Paul Marshall, an Britton exJW speaks out for www.elperiodico.es, including a video in English.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/paul-marshall-extestigo-jehova-les-preocupan-mas-los-gais-que-los-pederastas-5454461
Google Translate:
Paul Marshall's mother was cleaning the dishes when he, with 9 years, asked what was a "homosexual". He wanted to know because it came with regional concentrations of Jehovah's Witnesses that were held in southern England and there was much talk about this sexual orientation. His mother replied, "They are people very sick, stay away from them." Paul soon crossed the street with a man who was in a wheelchair and believed he had seen a gay for the first time.
When did you solved the misunderstanding? Later my friends explained to me that being gay meant you liked boys.
-¿Le Liked? He'd always been attracted by some boys in the class. Never for girls. was still nothing sexual, just one liked me and the other not. But I had not the courage to accept it. I married at age 17 with a woman named by the congregation.
Did it work? The way I wanted. We even had a son. But it was not happy. Without being authentic I ended up depressed and finally, after four years of marriage, I had to tell the truth to my wife.
Was it hard? It was a horrible conversation. We kept the phone. I said, "I think I'm gay." She did not answer and I let go of everything: "No, the truth is that I know I'm gay."
How did the congregation react? There was a trial and one of the elders told me that the last man who had heard him say something like that was over flying brains with a gun. I do not think I said to give me ideas but to warn me that, in his view, was condemning me.
-¿Se Felt finally released? It was not that simple. At first I thought it was finished. I felt scared, anxious at the prospect of it was true that the devil had possessed me. Needed to completely rebuild my way of relating with the world.
-¿Seguía Believing the same? To clear yes principle. Jump from the congregation involved also accept the possibility that I stay out of paradise to die. That was the worst, learn to live with that.
How long did you? Very much. At first I chose to do the opposite of what he had done before: a lot of sex and a lot of drugs. He was not good. Little by little I quieting, but it's hard to forget the things they taught you to believe. When the Twin Towers collapsed in 2001, I remember perfectly that I was afraid he was coming Armageddon.
-¿Los Jehovah 's Witnesses are openly homophobic? His actions demonstrate that they are, because they exclude jhomosexuales. Although publicly they are even able to deny it. They are obsessed with homosexuality. Now I realize that worry them much more than gay men pedophiles.
-Cuesta To believe ... I know of cases of pedophiles that have been hidden by the organization. And I know that child abuse is a serious problem for them. It is also because there are many gay men who behave wretchedly because of repression.
What would you say to homosexuals still hiding their orientation to be part of this creed? That prevents any fundamentalism listen to themselves and that's the most dangerous. To forget about everything the organization has told them is wrong and verify it personally, because by doing so they will find the answers they are seeking. Do not be afraid, there is a place full of light and love outside world, that there is no end black with threatening them not to follow your heart.
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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...
by AndersonsInfo inannouncement from spain:.
on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.
please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.
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I confirm you that victims in Pamplona are not JW.
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Announcement from SPAIN: On Monday, the 26th online in the a.m. in the online edition of www.elperiodico.es...
by AndersonsInfo inannouncement from spain:.
on monday 26th septriembre, www.elperiodico.es published in its online edition the first publicly reported case of child abuse and harassment in spain watchtower, digital edition monday, tuesday print edition.
please maximum dissemination of the link, it will be online early in the morning of monday 26, in the online edition.
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sp74bb
Thanks for sharing :)
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Homophobia in the name of Jehovah
by sp74bb inwww.elperiodico.es newspaper has written last night 3 different posts regarding homophobia within the borg.... http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/historias-homofobia-testigos-jehova-5438263.
google translation:.
wednesday, october 5, 2016 - 21:42 ist.
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sp74bb
www.elperiodico.es newspaper has written last night 3 different posts regarding Homophobia within the Borg...
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/historias-homofobia-testigos-jehova-5438263
Google Translation:
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 5, 2016 - 21:42 IST
Homophobia in the name of Jehovah
PAU MARTI
Paul Marshall overlooks the balcony of his apartment in Sitges.
The front door flew open and the man rushed up the stairs in search of air from the street. With empty pockets, he left his family and ran without looking back until it was swallowed by the night of Barcelona. This began to leave Jehovah's Witnesses one of four gay men who have reported to NEWSPAPER how oppressive homophobia behind this religious confession, which has more than 100,000 devotees in Spain and more than 8 million around the world were forced to betray themselves for many years. There are four extestigos who have dared to speak after Miguel Garcia, who complained to the Mossos harassment and parallel justice of confession, break the ice in this newspaper .
Before age 20, Jordi ( not her real name) to three of his congregation judicial committees created to try him for having homosexual relations faced. He overcame the first two repenting for their actions and agreeing not to relapse. In the third, the three elders who judged him gave him up for lost and was ejected. "It was I who confessed those meetings, because I felt very bad," he says. He did penance for two years. He sat with his family in the last row of the hall the kingdom of his congregation. "I wanted to 'be good' and my parents trusted that redeem me." He managed to be readmitted at the end of the trial period. He sought a woman, married and tried to be what was expected of him: a heterosexual devotee who formed a family with a woman named by Jehovah's Witnesses. Until he could not take it anymore. Jordi is the one that ran from home at night to escape a life impostada.
Jordi, Barcelona extestigo, was tried three times and finally expelled for sleeping with men
No one leaves Jehovah's Witnesses saying goodbye with a handshake of those who hitherto have been his 'brothers'. Leave "the truth" and into "the world" -using the terms by which they distinguish what is inside and outside their spiritual bubble is almost a personal shipwreck. Although have left voluntarily, expulsion means your family and friends-all that have- give them back. Also it is to assume the worst fears: witnesses claim that Armageddon (the end of the world) is something that is coming and that only those who have been baptized in their faith will be rescued and taken to paradise.
GAIS FOR NO PARADISE
Christian sources in Catalonia Jehovah Witnesses claim that theirs did not feel "phobia anyone." However, they resemble the seriousness of being gay to being a thief, and admit that there are members who have been expelled for homosexual relations. This confession interprets the Bible in a literal way and, on homosexuality, the sacred text of the Catholic Church says this, Corinthians chapter 6 verse 9: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God will not you deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals (...) will inherit the kingdom of God. "
The Bible explicitly states that neither gay nor effeminate "inherit Paradise"
Albert, another gay extestigo Barcelona claiming a false name to not add pain to his parents, stresses that this confession choose carefully the words you use. "They Never say that you are homophobic, but they are". The degree of manipulation suffering devotees got him "completely resign" to exercise their sexuality after admitting he did not like women. "I forgot all my existence by God," he explains. "They did it through guilt, because I did feel like a sinner fear, first to lose my family , and keep down my self - esteem." Leaving the community, with more than 40 years, she was "dying". They have more than two years past. How is it going? "I keep tearing chunks of skin almost daily, ways of thinking that thought they were mine and still belonged to any coercion exerted on me , " he explains.
Consider homosexuality a "disease" and believe they can "cure". In the UK, during the regional meetings held once or twice each year, talks constantly talking about homosexuality, says Paul Marshall, a man of 50 who belonged to a congregation of Witnesses in Hastings (South Inglaterrra) .
Albert, another extestigo: "They got me through repressed guilt, fear and keep down my self - esteem"
Sarah, a transgender woman who was born a man in 1979 in Brazil, tried as Jordi, Albert and Paul being who was expected of her. He was beaten and insulted at school by effeminate and at home, after being expelled from his congregation, his father and his sister stopped wanting to sit at the same table with her. During his judicial committee was sincere with the elders and told them that he knew what he had to do was be attracted to women but "did not get it ." The ruling was throw her "sexual immorality," a sentence that read publicly in the kingdom hall Jaboatao, Recife (Brazil).
Four stories that bind to Miguel Garcia to denounce the persecution of gay men of this creed.
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Spain: more abuse and harassment testimonies / Crowfunding
by sp74bb inmore testimonies of abuse and harrassment are arriving at el periódico newspaper in the last days.
tonight this newspaper will be publishing some new experiences on their online web.
tomorrow it will be printed on their printed pages.. many victims cannot afford a legal assistance.
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More testimonies of abuse and harrassment are arriving at El Periódico newspaper in the last days. Tonight this newspaper will be publishing some new experiences on their online web. Tomorrow it will be printed on their printed pages.
Many victims cannot afford a legal assistance. I'm going to launch a Crowfunding project to reserve a budget for any victim willing to protect his or her rights.
More info is to come very soon...
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Spain 2016-10-03 BOE Re: Minors
by wifibandit inoctober 3, 2016 to the bodies of elders re: minors.
3 de octubre de 2016 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: menores de edad.
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A disgusting piece of new instructions... Reading and interpreting the law as they wish.