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sp74bb
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Spanish Forum is being shut down
by ILoveTTATT2 inapparently the spanish forum, extj.com, is being shut down coming december.it's pretty sad.
there is still so much work to do to help people in latin america and spain come out of this cult!.
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Spanish Forum is being shut down
by ILoveTTATT2 inapparently the spanish forum, extj.com, is being shut down coming december.it's pretty sad.
there is still so much work to do to help people in latin america and spain come out of this cult!.
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sp74bb
The server is down for technical issues. The owners had mentioned December as date of closure.
I'a working on a replacement forum, we started only today:
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FYI, Eloise Dupuis, 27, a JW, died last Wednesday in a Quebec hospital because she refused a blood transfusion
by AndersonsInfo ini just received the following message from a friend this morning.. barbara.
eloise dupuis, 27 years old, died at the hotel dieu hospital in lévis, quebec, canada, wednesday, october 12th.
she died because of her religious principles.
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sp74bb
French Canadian TVA news reported this:
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/10/14/une-jeune-mere-temoin-de-jehovah-meurt-au-bout-de-son-sang
Very dramatic and upsetting !
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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sp74bb
For clarification, the info I received is that the letter involves a group of active elders.
As in Australia, this kind of situation might have been avoided instructing to obtain the "Certificate of no-molester", but JW are always upon the truth and law.
According to the info received, calls from elders to Spanish Bethel are transferred to an automatic message system where they can record their request. No more direct info... we will contact you later !
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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sp74bb
The fine if you don't obtain the Certificate is 6000 €.
I got info that many elders started to request it and the the Ministry of a justice has contacted Spain Bethel to confirm the letter dated Oct 3rd.
JW must follow the law and no child molester or sexual harasser should be allowed in the congregation.
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Sarah, transsexual: "Witnesses have forbidden my mother to live with me"
by sp74bb infinal article in www.elperiodico.es.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/sarah-transexual-los-testigos-han-prohibido-madre-que-viva-conmigo-5454048.
google translate:.
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sp74bb
Final article in www.elperiodico.es
Google Translate:
GUILLEM SÀNCHEZ / BARCELONA
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 5, 2016 - 20:47 IST
Sarah, a transsexual who, still a man, was expelled in 2000 by a Brazilian congregation of the T Witnesses of Jehovah after admitting he was attracted by men, presented in Salamanca the second complaint of harassment against this religious organization, after he presented Miguel Garcia , as has been told this newspaper. In a statement at the police station of the Civil Guard, calls for the intervention of Spanish justice to recover the money he sent his family to Brazil after 8 years working as a prostitute in Italy and Spain.
He entered an international prostitution ring that brought her to Italy for paid sex change. Four years ago, he landed in Spain. During this period, in an irregular situation, he sent all the money he saved his mother. The plan was to buy a house they would live together. Her mother had been expelled from the same congregation as her. The first for adultery in 1997 and the second by immorality, in 2000. Sarah contacted his mother from Europe, they resumed their relationship and put the house on behalf of the parent.
Readmission MOTHER
The problems have come after his mother was readmitted within the congregation. Sarah, who was already disowned by her father when she was cast creed, was startled to learn of their return because it was feared that the Witnesses would cut the link regenerated.
"I noticed how more and took longer to answer my messages," he explains. His worst fears were confirmed. Soon she told him that "they should not live together." He stopped calling Sarah and returned to use their "male name" to refer to it. Daughter sent her transsexuality publications normalized, but the mother never accepted reading them. Sarah, desperate, contacted the congregation to ask her mother to lift the ban relate to it. She has also been ignored. "I lost my family, but at least I'd get the money I've earned with prostitution," implores.
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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sp74bb
The letter is here and scanned, see post of darkspilver.
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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sp74bb
Thanks darkspilver for sharing the docs.
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Spain: A group of elder requires clarification to Ministry of Justice regarding sexual molestors
by sp74bb inletter sent today to the ministry of justice... .
spain bethel sent a letter recently last oct 3 interpreting that no elder or sm should request a certificate of sexual offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids.
again jw.org interprets the law to their behalf.. a group of elders in madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!.
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sp74bb
Letter sent today to the Ministry of Justice...
Spain Bethel sent a letter recently last Oct 3 interpreting that no elder or SM should request a Certificate of Sexual Offenses as other churches or persons in contact with kids. Again JW.org interprets the law to their behalf.
A group of Elders in Madrid has sent this letter to ask clarification !!
Translation here below...
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Ministry of Justice
Office for Relation with Confessions.
Madrid.
I contact with you as an elder and spokesman for a group of elders (or local pastors) of Jehovah's Witnesses. I practice from my childhood this religion and it gives me a Christian vision for my daily life.
The official entity in Spain, Christian Witnesses of Jehovah sends (via email, via the jw.org website, with maximum security protocols), instructions on the so-called judicial committees, protocols to handle cases of sexual abuse of children within local congregations and clear instructions on how we keep all information about these alleged crimes, instructions for members who have suffered harassment and how to report (in a peculiar way, trying not to leave traces or traceability) always at the national Spain headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses, in his office in Ajalvir.
On Oct 3rd, the headquarters in Spain sent the letter attached, clarifying that we should not apply for
Certificate of Sexual Offences
even if we have worship activities with children (meetings, teaching schools).
I am a spokesman for a group of elders from Madrid, we are very anxious for the publicity given on the thousand cases of sexual abuse in Australia (we always talk about our worship), and the research in the UK together with the information we are reading in different newspapers.
We have found that the national headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses moved instructions in a particular language, but the final instructions are given to us in a particular school for Elders, and finally all legal responsibility finally seems only to be ours.
We know that the world headquarters has secret files with tens of thousands cases of child sexual abuse never reported.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/2119903.stm
As a minister of religion of Jehovah's Witnesses, dealing with childrens, should I apply for the certificate? What responsibility is ours on the unsigned letter (common in the instructions given to us via the jw.org ntranet, where all have an email account) issued by the Jehovah's Witnesses in Spain confession.
Faced with such a complex situation, soon will deposit in the register of the Ministry of Justice a copy of all instructions received during the past five years, also copies of digital media with all instructions. We will send this letter as well to Commissions of Justice and Home Affairs both in the Senate, and Congress of Deputies, and all documentation to members of the European Parliament.
Best regards.
Group of Elders of Jehovah's Witnesses in Madrid (Spain)
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Homophobia in the name of Jehovah
by sp74bb inwww.elperiodico.es newspaper has written last night 3 different posts regarding homophobia within the borg.... http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/historias-homofobia-testigos-jehova-5438263.
google translation:.
wednesday, october 5, 2016 - 21:42 ist.
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sp74bb
Sorry for the duplication :(