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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

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  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  https://www.reddit.com/r/Extj/new is doing an excellent job to make more visible to Spanish community.
  
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  I agree with David Blanco, there are many places to discuss in Spanish and this has been the same for years.

  It is quite unpleasant to be attacked just for the fact of a forum closure. Many are not really understanding the legal problems you get in some countries you might face.

  Since the closure I'm as well quite active in Reddit forum with r/exTJ tag. Many exJW are active there.
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  Hello to all,

  Sad news, no indeed... Totally the opposite.

  Reasons to close the current discussion board AbusosTJ.vbulletin.net are many, but can be summarise by two points:

  1. Since November no substantial result in the crowdfunding we propose to make board running and many other actions. As the economical viability was not cleared I decided as the Admin of the board to give sufficient time and close it at Feb 14

  2. Legal concerns.. A board owner is legally responding to all the possible judicial concerns. I paid an high price to get some legal help. Crowdfunding not following, I have no other way than to close it.

  Sadly, after giving that news, people was not supportive at all and I discover that I was labelled as a "dictator" because I left exJW Spanish without a discussion board... Sad to see that the previous owner of exTJ.org was attacked today in the same way and she confirmed it on her Facebook.

  AbusosTJ was never meant to be a discussion forum. It was, is and will be a project to help victims and give visibility on the sexual abuse within JW. Who wants a free forum for chit chat talks might do their own. Facebook, Twitter are excellent platforms as well for discussion.

  It was as well unfortunate to be attacked by some exJW in Spain through mass mailing after forum closure for another reason, being gay !! Yes sir... Being gay, you as a victim, you are not a safe travelmate...

  Two gay magazines in Spain featured my story months ago. Maybe the exJW involved in this attack still needs to face a fact. LGTBI rights are present and gays are safe people not pederasts...

  Due to the attacks I decided to close definitively the forum before the expected day of Feb 14. There was no reason to face these attacks anymore.

  Some people clearly thought to be exJW activists because they were writing on a board. It goes much further than this... Better to be less activists in numbers but focusing on doing things...
  

  AbusosTJ has not disappeared, we have transformed it in a blog www.abusostj.org where we post and discuss sexual abuse activism, actions, etc...

  Next actions:

  - Some Spain Congresswomen received us weeks ago. We are making some nice conversations and proposals to them. These are in study.

  - Two main TV programs will be on air in 5-6 weeks and discuss sexual abuse within JW.

  - Different meetings with local and regional politicians to give visibility to our claims.

  - We are going to do a seminar end September in an important Spanish University to give more viability.

  - As usual we focus as well in making this situation to be known within the general audience through newspapers.

  Maybe we are going to miss many forum members for a while but time is precious. Let's face it. Better facts and actions than talks

  AbusosTJ is still alive ! Gracias GeoBAR !
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  Watchtower let off the hook by the UK charities commission

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  say what they like, but it's a definite withdrawal of pressure.

  the commission is slow, needlessly protracted and inconsiderate of the extent to which ongoing damage is being carried out.. scrap it.

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/watch-tower-statement-on-administrative-court-proceedings.

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  Copy of Email dated today from Alex Uden:

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  Dear All,

  As you know I have now taken over responsibility for the Watch Tower Inquiry. I am looking forward to working with you all in the future and would like to thank you all for the invaluable information you have already provided which I am familiarising myself with.

  I am also writing to let you know that the Charity Commission will be publishing a statement on the gov.uk website today at 10am (I will send you a link to this later today). This will report that we have withdrawn a Production Order, which had previously been made under section 52(1) of the Charities Act 2011, requiring Watch Tower to disclose documents that the Commission considered were relevant to the inquiry.

  You will see our reasons for doing this in the statement. However, I wanted to reassure you all that this does not represent a step backwards in the Inquiry.

  Watch Tower has already provided some of the information which the Order required them to disclose and we have obtained additional information from other sources such as yourselves.

  I understand that many of you are frustrated with the speed of the Inquiry, which has been delayed by recent litigation. The revocation of the Order will make future litigation less likely and hopefully allow us to engage with the charity to address our concerns in a more productive way.

  Please do not hesitate to contact me if you want to discuss this further.

  Kind Regards,

  Alex Uden

  Senior Investigator
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  Press in SPAIN report JW members go to JW headquarters to file a complaint for not receiving documents on cases of abuse they requested

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.lainformacion.com/politica/derechos-humanos/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_990801892.html.

  http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_2308950586.html.

  https://okdiario.com/sociedad/2017/01/16/ex-miembros-testigos-jehova-acusan-organizacion-ocultar-ley-miles-casos-abusos-sexuales-menores-671613jehovah's witness members will report to the organization for failing to provide them with documents regarding child abuse.

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  Hello Darkspilver,

  Indeed, Google Translation is not so effective. I hope soon some human translation will be provided.

  You are not correct regarding the period of response. This period of response is for recognized info or personal data. Spanish Bethel has never informed to the Spanish Data Agency the fact of having files or info regarding sexual abusers.

  So, we understood that 1 week is far enough to collect this info or answering to us. We gave them as well the possibility to deliver us a "negative declaration", a signed declaration clearly telling that no files or info is kept by the Spanish Bethel. We have not received the files, not received a confirmation that the files do not exist. We have not received neither the negative declaration.

  Obviously we have requesting our files and info, exclusively ours.

  As the Spanish Bethel was not answering our request, we filled a report to the "Guardia Civil" (Police). We explained them our request and the answer received. The gladly report it with no doubt or further questions. The situation was very clear for them.

  In Spain the only legal entity is Testigos Cristianos de Jehová in Ajalvir... The Spanish Bethel. So it is there that we must request our "Do not Destroy Envelopes"

  Fell free to request more info.
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  Spain - Crónica Global - Jehovah's Witnesses will pass an 'anti-abuse course' for minors in Barcelona

  by sp74bb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/vida/testigos-jehova-pasaran-curso-antiabusos-menores-sant-quirze_66448_102.html.

  (google translation).

  jehovah's witnesses will pass an 'anti-abuse course' for minors in barcelona.

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  http://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/vida/testigos-jehova-pasaran-curso-antiabusos-menores-sant-quirze_66448_102.html
  

  (Google Translation)

  Jehovah's Witnesses will pass an 'anti-abuse course' for minors in Barcelona

  The School of Elders 2017 will teach cult pastors to deal with allegations of sexual assault

  4 min

  

  Salon of Assemblies of Witnesses in Sant Quirze (Barcelona), where the courses / CG

  IGNASI Jorro @IgnasiJorro

  14.01.2017 00:00 h.

  Jehovah 's Witness pastors will pass an anti-abuse course for minors. The School of Elders 2017 starts next Monday in the Hall of Assemblies of Sant Quirze del Vallès (Barcelona) in order to teach the elders, the people who lead a congregation, to deal with alleged sexual assaults to minors. The sessions will disseminate the instructions sent by the Witnesses in the United Kingdom on sexual offenses with children within the denomination, whose publication advanced Crónica Global.

  The guidelines, which bypass direct allegations to the security forces and invite them to resolve cases internally, will now arrive in Spain. They will do so through the Schools of Elders, which will be attended by invitation.

  JOURNALISTS, NO

  The clinic of the millenarian cult will not be opened. The leadership of the denomination warns that journalists and base members, the so-called publishers, will not be admitted.

  Local elders who can enter the Hall will listen to instructors appointed by Jehovah's Witnesses National Headquarters. These teachers will be mostly circuit overseers or members of the national headquarters and their task will be to transmit the reformed policy of protection to children of the religious group, which in Spain has more than 111,000 followers.

  Before, attendees should show their invitations and accreditations at the door to avoid unwanted intrusions in the training sessions.

  INTERNAL COMMUNICATION

  It should be recalled that the new policy on protection of the child of Witnesses, communicated on 1 January by London Headquarters, introduces some changes in the procedures for the training of such cases.

  The dome of the denomination now asks that two elders immediately communicate to the legal department any case or complaint of abuse within the cult. For their part, the headquarters of each country will support congregations where alleged episodes of sexual assault occur to a minor.

  The denunciation to the security forces, however, is not mentioned in the memorandum sent to the British Isles groups. It is only mentioned in the case that the minor is in danger or reserves this right to the parents, if they see fit, or to the legal department of the witnesses.

  ABUSES IN SPAIN

  The winter school of the Witnesses will be held from Monday to Friday in Sant Quirze del Vallès. The sessions will coincide with new actions of the AbusosTJ group campaign, a group of people who provide coverage and support to former cult members who have reported sexual abuse in congregations in Spain.

  The citizen group has asked for help to the Justice Commission of the Congress of Deputies , opened a telephone helpline and resolution of doubts and has demanded to the national headquarters of the Witnesses in Ajalvir (Madrid) to declassify and to deliver the files of their cases, since the procedure of the religious group obliges to write down and keep the documents of the internal investigations.
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  SPAIN: Crónica Global - Jehovah's Witnesses order cases of abuse of children internally - In Spanish & English - Google Translated

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/vida/testigos-jehova-ordenan-resolver-abusos-internamente_66270_102.html .

  crónica global .

  los testigos de jehová ordenan resolver los casos de abusos a niños internamente.

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  @darkspilver According to my opinion, the spirit of the policy is not following EU civil rights for kids. If they are please educate me...

  As far as I know there is no other religions except Catholic Church getting a clear Policy.

  One of the most dangerous point is according to law in Spain, ANY person knowing a possible child abuse, MUST declare and report it to the Authorities... There is no option...
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  SPAIN - number of Kingdom Halls

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please note that this post links to websites that are in spanish, if that's a problem, please do not click on the links!.

  it is now just over two years since the wt send the now infamous 17 september 2014 letter regarding the programme of building kingdom halls to all congregations in spain.

  (letter page one / letter page two).

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  sp74bb

  TTATT is growing fast here in Spain...
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  JW requesting food assistance to Babylon the Great.

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  barcelona (spain), jan 8, 2017 at 1.30 pm.

  two publishers of the tagalog group in barcelona (public meeting at 4.30 pm) do visit an evangelical church barcelona downtown to receive free food bags.... i can confirm that the queue was long.

  the pastor in charge of this church has not allowed me to take picture of some older jw living barcelona downtown, but i was able to catch these young publishers.

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  @Blondie Thanks for the reply. I agree with you as there is nothing prohibiting JW to get food other religions.

  The fact I want to speak out here is the point that these JW need to find the support in other believers, not their own brothers and sisters...
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  SPAIN: Crónica Global - Jehovah's Witnesses order cases of abuse of children internally - In Spanish & English - Google Translated

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/vida/testigos-jehova-ordenan-resolver-abusos-internamente_66270_102.html .

  crónica global .

  los testigos de jehová ordenan resolver los casos de abusos a niños internamente.

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  @darkspilver We know my reliable sources about the enforcement of this policy as well in Spain. It will be the standard in Europe.