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  Press in SPAIN report JW members go to JW headquarters to file a complaint for not receiving documents on cases of abuse they requested

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.lainformacion.com/politica/derechos-humanos/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_990801892.html.

  http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_2308950586.html.

  https://okdiario.com/sociedad/2017/01/16/ex-miembros-testigos-jehova-acusan-organizacion-ocultar-ley-miles-casos-abusos-sexuales-menores-671613jehovah's witness members will report to the organization for failing to provide them with documents regarding child abuse.

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  sp74bb

  @darkspilver

  Not only the "sealed envelope" information regarding sexual abusers, but as well other points such as judicial audiences and the fact that elders are not informing the authorities regarding sexual abuses.
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  Press in SPAIN report JW members go to JW headquarters to file a complaint for not receiving documents on cases of abuse they requested

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.lainformacion.com/politica/derechos-humanos/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_990801892.html.

  http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_2308950586.html.

  https://okdiario.com/sociedad/2017/01/16/ex-miembros-testigos-jehova-acusan-organizacion-ocultar-ley-miles-casos-abusos-sexuales-menores-671613jehovah's witness members will report to the organization for failing to provide them with documents regarding child abuse.

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  sp74bb

  More info will be available soon at this forum.

  General Attorney in Spain has been requested by Spanish Ombusman to run an investigation.
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  Spain: Condemned the perpetrators of the pyramid scam 700 Jehovah's Witnesses

  by JHK in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  google translation:.

  condemned the perpetrators of the pyramid scam 700 jehovah's witnesses.

  barcelona, february 6.

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  sp74bb

  Too many in Spain had fallen on this trap. Thanks for the justice.
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  Italy: "I, repentant Jehovah's Witness" before the Office of the Prosecutor against abuses

  by sp74bb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  links: .

  http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/news/home/858825/io-testimone-di-geova-pentito-esposto-in-procura-contro-gli-abusi.html.

  https://abusostj.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/yo-testigo-de-jehova-arrepentido-ante-la-fiscalia-contra-los-abusos/.

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  sp74bb

  Links:

  http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/news/home/858825/io-testimone-di-geova-pentito-esposto-in-procura-contro-gli-abusi.html

  https://abusostj.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/yo-testigo-de-jehova-arrepentido-ante-la-fiscalia-contra-los-abusos/

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  (Google Translate)

  15 Feb 2017

  It must be terrible to be born and grow up in a family that educates to believe in a spiritual and supernatural vision and then, after having reached adulthood, to separate. The fact is that you have to pay higher prices if the whole family, starting with your father and mother, stays within the congregation and ostracism to the point where you are considered practically never to have existed.

  This happened to Riccardo Maggi, 34 years old, today he is a tourist consultant. It came out three years ago from Jehovah's Witnesses. In the meantime he married, he has a son. He lives in Bari. He has filed a complaint with the Office of the Attorney General for alleged cases of child abuse within the congregation and presents evidence of video and audio. The father is a police sergeant who, at some point in his life, says goodbye to the gun and becomes a Jehovah's Witness, followed by his wife, Riccardo's mother. It is the year 1983. Riccardo was born and raised in a family in which from childhood are given notions about the Scriptures, continuously. "Being born into Jehovah's Witnesses means being isolated from all others who are not members of that creed. It means living in their own cultural enclosure, in the literal sense of the term. All that is abroad is called the world polluted by Satan, "he says today. Forbidden friendships outside of religious circles. Children are bombarded with cartoons with a religious background. The child is induced to go to meetings and participate in meetings, 3 times a week.

  THE INTERIOR OF THE PYRAMID
  

  Maggi rebuilds the entire interior finish of Jehovah's Witnesses. The base of the pyramid is composed of so-called publishers. They are the ones who go around the house with a bag in their hands proclaiming the coming of the Kingdom of Jehovah. They have not yet been baptized, but they are entering the association. Directly above are the ministerial servants, that is, the deacons. One step above is the body of the elderly, qualified who have exclusive access with username and password to the web page reserved for them where they receive instructions from the Bethel office in Rome. Above the body of elders is the steering committee consisting of 3 elders directly responsible for the congregation. "I had the opportunity to be part of the Board," says Riccardo. You can not preach less than 12 hours a month. "The more you preach you will sell more books and pamphlets and you will rise in the hierarchy." If you are good at selling books you will also be good at directing the congregation. The three that make up this peak is the supervisor of the service, the secretary, the coordinator. In this triad, the most powerful is the coordinator. The Steering Committee directs all elders. Above this committee is a watchful superintendent, a very powerful man directly responsible to Rome. "You are paid a salary, a car, house and food for the congregations."
  

  Riccardo participates in many meetings. "The superintendent sits at the table and with letters in hand checks how many books are sold, income and expenses. It's an accountant. " Is not sufficient. "Each publisher must pay a minimum fee of 2.50 euros in cash. A sense of guilt is infused from the upper for which he must pay offerings to Jehovah. " So many opt to pour valuables. "I went from collecting € 400 a day for 3 times a week." So, it's € 4,800 a month. That is, € 57,600 per year. This money pays for the maintenance of the superintendent's structures and salary. "The religious congregation has in the US participation in a vehicle company; So that the superintendent is supplied with a car at no cost; After 90 thousand kilometers the car is withdrawn and re-sold, "Maggi always talking. Every year all the "witnesses" of Puglia and Basilicata meet in Bitonto. In these assemblies of elders an offer is left. "All the money raised is paid in a bank. Shortly before he left the company we voted to transfer the benefits of the previous year from Bitonto to Brooklyn. " In the USA. There is something comparable with the Vatican of Jehovah's Witnesses. "We speak to 750 thousand euros." The district superintendent responds to his superior, a superintendent of branch. This is part of a Branch Committee that is made up of 4 to 6 senior, highly experienced, Brooklyn-appointed supervisors. "In the United States it is the Masonic leaders who govern the whole world game."
  

  I HAVE SEEN THINGS YOU DO NOT IMAGINE
  

  For a time Riccardo moved the headquarters in Rome, the Bethel, where he works as a cook. There books and brochures are produced. A small town where Riccardo lives at age 18. "In the interior I have seen everything ... very different things than what is preached. Everything is hidden. " There are offices, premises used for printing which is now in Germany. There is a kitchen, a library. "I saw friends who had sex secretly. One of the two later hanged himself inside his Bethel lodging for shame and to avoid being ostracized. About this incident in 1983 we were forbidden to speak about it to others. " Shortly afterwards even his partner hung up in the bathroom. "Between siblings there was often an exchange of married couple inside the room. Inside Bethel, drugs and alcohol circulate. " Riccardo says: "One day I was in the locker room when the head of the organization approaches me and touches my private parts. I proposed an exchange: intercourse in exchange for a prestigious accommodation, of course, I refused. "
  

  THE PEDOPHILE
  

  A young adult is attending a party with other elderly people in a villa (luxury house) in Cassano. "At some point, the young adult is isolated with an 8-year-old in the car - says Maggi - the child's mother discovers it while the young man has his pants down. When the mother asks the young man what he was naked, the answer is that he had an itch. "
  

  Everything was recorded with a video and is now reviewed by the judge. Maggi has filed a detailed complaint in Prosecutor's Office. "The elders knew what had happened in the car. The thing was silenced. "
  

  OSTRACISM
  

  The Watchtower says that he who turns his back on the congregation is as if he had never existed. "I, my wife and my baby, are as dead to my parents. If I need anything and I call my parents I'm hung up the phone. If I'm in the hospital or I've had an accident and I ask my parents for help, they hang up the phone. " Today, Riccardo has stubbornly rebuilt a life. It was very difficult, but now he wants his story to move the consciences.
  
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  Exact, not a priority, now, but definitively a very good tool.

  :)
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  @Hecce

  So true, but no regrets.

  I prefer to do my activism on child abuse within JW without non profitable travel partners.

  Some of us, we have been victims of abuse and we do not need to be victimised again.
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  After some days of work, I have compiled quite a lot of info regarding sexual abuses within JW in Spanish:

  www.abusostj.org, or

  https://abusostj.wordpress.com

  Time for forum discussion is not anymore a priority for me...
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  https://www.reddit.com/r/Extj/new is doing an excellent job to make more visible to Spanish community.
  
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  I agree with David Blanco, there are many places to discuss in Spanish and this has been the same for years.

  It is quite unpleasant to be attacked just for the fact of a forum closure. Many are not really understanding the legal problems you get in some countries you might face.

  Since the closure I'm as well quite active in Reddit forum with r/exTJ tag. Many exJW are active there.
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  Sad news from the Spanish Front

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.

  for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.

  it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.

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  sp74bb

  Hello to all,

  Sad news, no indeed... Totally the opposite.

  Reasons to close the current discussion board AbusosTJ.vbulletin.net are many, but can be summarise by two points:

  1. Since November no substantial result in the crowdfunding we propose to make board running and many other actions. As the economical viability was not cleared I decided as the Admin of the board to give sufficient time and close it at Feb 14

  2. Legal concerns.. A board owner is legally responding to all the possible judicial concerns. I paid an high price to get some legal help. Crowdfunding not following, I have no other way than to close it.

  Sadly, after giving that news, people was not supportive at all and I discover that I was labelled as a "dictator" because I left exJW Spanish without a discussion board... Sad to see that the previous owner of exTJ.org was attacked today in the same way and she confirmed it on her Facebook.

  AbusosTJ was never meant to be a discussion forum. It was, is and will be a project to help victims and give visibility on the sexual abuse within JW. Who wants a free forum for chit chat talks might do their own. Facebook, Twitter are excellent platforms as well for discussion.

  It was as well unfortunate to be attacked by some exJW in Spain through mass mailing after forum closure for another reason, being gay !! Yes sir... Being gay, you as a victim, you are not a safe travelmate...

  Two gay magazines in Spain featured my story months ago. Maybe the exJW involved in this attack still needs to face a fact. LGTBI rights are present and gays are safe people not pederasts...

  Due to the attacks I decided to close definitively the forum before the expected day of Feb 14. There was no reason to face these attacks anymore.

  Some people clearly thought to be exJW activists because they were writing on a board. It goes much further than this... Better to be less activists in numbers but focusing on doing things...
  

  AbusosTJ has not disappeared, we have transformed it in a blog www.abusostj.org where we post and discuss sexual abuse activism, actions, etc...

  Next actions:

  - Some Spain Congresswomen received us weeks ago. We are making some nice conversations and proposals to them. These are in study.

  - Two main TV programs will be on air in 5-6 weeks and discuss sexual abuse within JW.

  - Different meetings with local and regional politicians to give visibility to our claims.

  - We are going to do a seminar end September in an important Spanish University to give more viability.

  - As usual we focus as well in making this situation to be known within the general audience through newspapers.

  Maybe we are going to miss many forum members for a while but time is precious. Let's face it. Better facts and actions than talks

  AbusosTJ is still alive ! Gracias GeoBAR !