Stirred

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  Another trolley (That's Cart to Americanos), encounter today.

  by punkofnice in

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  i couldn't bleedin' well resist it.

  there were these 2 jobo blokes standing behind a jobot trolley.

  jobo, 'what's that?'.

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  The is depressing
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  A Short Life Story - Part 3

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  continuation from part 2 (which is here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5769422536966144/short-life-story-part-2).

  so im 25, married, and my life seems to have ended when it should be in it's prime.

  i have only two non jw friends.

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  OMG. Can't even imagine what moved her in her state to do what she did. I appreciate you tried, even though it was such a hard thing to take. Was she so manipulated? Pathetic self esteem? What a hot mess a brewing.

  Thank you for sharing.
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  A Short Life Story - Part 4 (Finale)

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a continuation from part 3, which is here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4807117397557248/short-life-story-part-3#!#4918071166763008.

  my wife had settled into a routine of waking up at 6am each day, cleaning (so no chance of a lie in for me or our daughter with the vacuum cleaner going), eating very little, picking the skin off her lips while she sits there in a trance obsessing over things that are out of our control and dont matter anyway.

  she never did return to work.

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  Thank you for sharing your story.

  I appreciate your efforts with your wife. Was touched you were bringing her a gift when you discovered the computer breach.

  Sounds like she was suffering from depression and who wouldn't be with the famiy dynamic she was raised in - maybe what we call the Baby Blues and perhaps the JW life was just pushing her over at the time.

  I can't help personally blaming the situation - pressure, JW family, cognative dissonance, depreseion, possble baby blues - for making what might have been resolve into a dissolution. Fear can be crippling and I completely recognize the feeling of waking up to maybe being in a cult....and that part of yourself dies.

  As a fader, I'm still strugging with mindset and patterns of thought.

  Wishing you great happiness and continued success.
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  Will #metoo have an affect on forcing changing attitudes at Watchtower?

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  despite decades of the feminist movement, watchtower's attitude of woman being inferior has changed little, with pauline sexism justified as inspired, on the basis that women are lesser emotionally, intellectually and physically.

  jehovah's witnesses seem to accept this with little resistance.

  is there anything about the #metoo movement that may wake followers up?

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  I'm middle aged and have had my share of stories in the workplace growing up, though not in the congregation where I was always married and kind of on the outs for having an inactive husband and being a corporate working woman who did much indirect service vs. formal due to travel. IMHO, not all leave for the mysogony and male tripping that goes on. Many reasons as to why. Coming from environment I did, I was ripe for the setting as I look back. It was actually the interactions with women that played a greater roll in my waking up to injustice than the silly men I encountered. Seeing it third hand is powerful. Reading the stories of others' experiences resonated for me as I tend to ignore my treatment I always just waived those imperfect ones caught up in their power. Rutherford stories certainly opened my eyes wide. The whole enchillada is getting over ripe and likely stimulating further cognitive dissodence which troubled me since nearly day of my studies till one day I could no longer ignore it.
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  Does a jw have to miss counting time for 6 months to be inactive

  by blondie in

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  how many months consecutively does a jw have to miss turning in time to be inactive?.

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  Thought it was 4 months but either way I qualify for last 3 years.
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  2017 Annual Meeting

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. social
  2. current

  this just in from the 2017 annual meeting:.

  1. watchtowers and awakes won't be released regularly, at least three watchtower and awakes per year.

  6 magazines a year.. 2. a new book is being released: remain in god's love, more of an update like how they did for the what does the bible really teach book.

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  Probably only publishing stats online so they can make adjustments to the # on the fly and not have to worry about print copies floating around proving the change.
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  Over 300 DFed apparently went to a northern U.K R.C!

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..

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  Is it true that in the U.S. you cannot attend a DC if you don't have a badge? Do the require bag searches now in U.S.?

  So tired of reading random numbers or quasi "facts" without annual metrics and sources. I agree it would be difficult to gage from past experience who was who at these events. I know of some DF'd who attended for very reason to see their families and re-establish some contact or to ease tension.

  This will be my 3rd summer free of DC in over 20 years.
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  Rookie exJW Question

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was wondering if someone could help me with a question.. i am a rookie exjw, i only left the organization 4 months ago and everything i've discovered (un/arc/malawi/mexico etc) i've only discovered in the last few months so you can image it's been a huge shock to me especially after after 50 yrs!.

  every time i think i've heard everything, something else pops up.. now i've come across a youtube video that mention tv evangelizer jimmy swaggart and the watchtower.

  i remember jimmy swaggart from the time i lived in the u.s.a and i remember the scandals with him and prostitutes etc.

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  All new to me as well since I was baptized mid-1990s. Thank you for sharing!
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  Phone call with a disfellowshipped relative

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i call my grandfather who has been inactive for several decades and he's at vacation in puerto rico.

  the conversation is normal, we talk about how he's doing down there and how i am doing.

  then he tells me that my cousin who i haven't seen in 5 years, is with him and asks if i would like to speak to him; i said yes.

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  It's good therapy to do those things that you had cognitive challenges with in past, if now you recognize that those actions were positive. lPerhaps you can call again soon and check in. Maybe you can even video chat.
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  My Introduction

  by Ray Frankz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my first post and i'm feeling like i'm doing something bad big time!

  i know on my mind it isn't, but the feelings are less manageable.. well, since i'm still a jw it's better not to give too much info, but i'm from brazil.. i've grown-up in the religion and practicly all my family, my closest friends and my girlfriend are loyal jws.

  i used to be a regular pioneer but i still have a service privilege on my congregation.. i've had questions about the teachings of the wt since i was 10, but naturally i always pushed it away as it were "questioning the holy organization".. i started a friendship with some people in a course i took and we talked about a lot of subjects.

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  Stirred

  Welcome to the forum and to the freedom to share your thoughts, doubts, discoveries and progress. So many things tripped me up that seemed dishonest and hypocritical about JW organization that finally I HAD to face the facts and deal with them. Truth doesn't change nor does it need to be sheltered by a lie. It will always find its way to the surface.

  Some of the issues that triggered it for me:

  - NGO membership and alignment with United Nations

  - Investment in Raytheon (defense)

  - YMCA membership issue vs a vis NGO

  - Much of the Revelation Book by JW that claim WT events fulfill Bible prophecies.

  - Tithing - used to be proud of fact we don't pass the hat so to speak until recent changes with the swipping of deeds, deposits and surreptitious implementation of passive aggressive pressure for congregation and congregants to commit to monthly "commitments to Jehovah" for a certain level of contribution.

  - Lack of love shown by their regular preaching of judgement amongst the congregation of any suspected of being spiritually weak and encouraging distancing from these ones, including natural family members who may not be JWs or are "weak" JWs. This really was the breaking point for me when I really listened and heard these directives from the platform to my family and my Bible studies. Could not support this and was a victim of this directive. It did not motivate me to be "stronger" but made me feel rejected, somewhat dejected, then angry at the shallow reaction to just preemptively shun without knowing anyone but just making assumptions of their spiritual strength....

  - The organization fosters a kind of Darwinian spirituality, so-to-speak, as a survival of the fittest

  - Boasts of not using titles of priest, etc. but revels in labels reflecting a competitive, hierarchical, caste-system - Pioneer, "Special" Pioneer, "Active" Publisher vs. "Inactive" Publisher, etc.

  Hope you find a peaceful balance that brings you and your family joy.