Posts by Hairtrigger

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"But the Basics haven't changed"

by Phizzy in

a couple of days ago in town i met a jw guy i have known since he was a kid in diapers, he is now an elder and must be 40 yrs old, still a kid to me, though.. he gave me the spiel about "we would love to see you come back " , i said that i could not come back to the religion i had left as it no longer existed (a line i got from my friend bill), this elder replied that there "had been changes, but the basics remain the same".. i just was not quick enough with this one, i just sort of nodded at that and went on about what i simply could not swallow as "truth".

overlapping generation etc etc.. what he was meaning by the basics being the same is that nothing has changed on the "what jw's don't believe in" front, i.e trinity, immortal soul etc.

the reality it is that the basics of jw/wt teachings about what they do believe in have all changed !.

Hairtrigger

Oubliette,

Thank you for the source.

Appreciate your help.

HT

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"But the Basics haven't changed"

by Phizzy in

a couple of days ago in town i met a jw guy i have known since he was a kid in diapers, he is now an elder and must be 40 yrs old, still a kid to me, though.. he gave me the spiel about "we would love to see you come back " , i said that i could not come back to the religion i had left as it no longer existed (a line i got from my friend bill), this elder replied that there "had been changes, but the basics remain the same".. i just was not quick enough with this one, i just sort of nodded at that and went on about what i simply could not swallow as "truth".

overlapping generation etc etc.. what he was meaning by the basics being the same is that nothing has changed on the "what jw's don't believe in" front, i.e trinity, immortal soul etc.

the reality it is that the basics of jw/wt teachings about what they do believe in have all changed !.

Hairtrigger

Oubliette,

Thanks for the bullet points under " Gentile Times ended 1914".

Would it be possible to post links where I could get more info. on each of those?

Thanks in anticipation

HT

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Whats with TROLLS posting on this forum ,dont they just expose themselves as less than intelligent?

by smiddy in

i mean to say it only takes a couple of posts to identify a troll , what do they hope to acheive ?

they only convince me, how stupid they are, with not a thinking cell in their brain .. do they think its another avenue to get fs hours in ?

do they think their going to convince one of us to go back to the kh.?

Hairtrigger

Many years ago (30 odd)when I met my first JW, I was already out of a mainstream church. What the guy told me about the bible seemed genuine but he did come up with some absurd stuff-" the nations of the earth would fight for the hidden treasures of the earh viz: oil", a fact he later denied when I asked him where in the bible it said that?. Another claimed that Armageddon would arrive before the turn of the last century. Niave as I was, I had serious doubts about what they were saying. Yet another claim of theirs was that man had been in existence on earth for only 6000 years despite my remonstrations that remains of humans had been found that were tens of thousands years old. Despite all my doubts I believed this was the "truth", due their pointing out the false beliefs of mainstream christianity. However, six months later stopped believing their take but was haunted by the thought that they were perhaps on to true christianity and being human were prone to make a few innocuous mistakes. To cut a long story short I got baptized and felt this was the real tabbasco. I knew about 1975 as I was informed about it by my first "friend ". That however stayed with me and I was never convinced that the FDS was infallible. I started investigating various websites( apostates) and gradually learned what this bunch of jokers( WBTS) is alll about. The point I'm trying to make is that all it takes is one doubt to get you out of their system. The wheels of critical thinking grind a bit slowly for some(Yours truly for one ) but there eventually come a point where the critical mass of reason and rationality wipes out their indoctrination. I do remember the first few times I entered this site I was intimidated by some posts that spoke about satanistic beliefs and related stuff. Swore I would never come back. But as I said, reason and rationality prevails. All it needs is the first doubt to get one started. Some of these "Trolls" may be ones with their first doubt propelling them -out of WBTS soon hopefully.

HT

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Whats with TROLLS posting on this forum ,dont they just expose themselves as less than intelligent?

by smiddy in

i mean to say it only takes a couple of posts to identify a troll , what do they hope to acheive ?

they only convince me, how stupid they are, with not a thinking cell in their brain .. do they think its another avenue to get fs hours in ?

do they think their going to convince one of us to go back to the kh.?

Hairtrigger

The WBTS is a powerful org. -in the US at least. What with laws protecting religious freedom bent backwards so that societies such as these can function with impunity, Trolls could be their canaries on one hand -on the other, if they really really are searching for lurkers , with their current tecnological/ electronic knowhow, wouldn't they be enabled to find anyone they want on ex-JW sites? Just asking.

HTl

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New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help

by jnjburkett in

jw
friends

hello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.

i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.

we do about 2 bible studies a week.

Hairtrigger

JNJ,

Are you rich or well off economically? Alternatively do you or your husband have a good job..say asst. bank manager or top level executive in some firm, or yet, a successful businessman? The reason I ask is such entrants into the JW fold are accorded a red carpet welcome and made to feel that they are the star VIP attractions in the congregation. Sure you are being taught their brand of Bible History and it all seems so enlightening - a renniasance in the Christian Faith. But as rosyas they( The JW's) may seem and smell- and some of them are genuinly nice people- the well-meaning respondants to your query in this forum, have been through it all and have experienced and seen through the hypocrisy and deceipt that accompanies this orgs. indoctrination process . Its policies and Modus Operandi is cloned from the practices of Catholic church during the dark ages and the 15th-early 20th centuries. As someone has said earlier - this is the "honeymoon" period you are going through. Once the novelty wears off you will begin to doubt and and ask questions for which they will have no answers. At least not rational ones. Think of this forum then. We'll be here.

Meanwhile enjoy the attention, adulation and the illusions of "TRUTH" that you bask in at the moment . I do not mean to offend your sensibilities.Just stating a fact.

HT

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Is JW.org overriding entry into JW.net?

by Hairtrigger in

tried to get into jw.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of jw's is jw.org.

this was about 2 hours back.

anybody with a similar experience?.

Hairtrigger

Katewild,

I want write a letter disassociating myself from the org. but some wel-lmeaning worldly friends advised against it saying "just let go". Still mulling it over but -hence the name I chose- my "hairtrigger "instinct is to tell them to"shove it".

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Anonymous Donation - Not!

by why144000 in

jw
friends

my mother in law (in her 80's) just told me that she had the elders around to pick up her 'donation' pledge.

it was 'suggested that $20 a month was the average amount pledged but she could pledge more or less.

so, rather than an anonymous amount they have a signed document stating the amount of her pledge.

Hairtrigger

In third world countries the average donation would be much..much less. South East Asian countries would average around -at the current exchange rate-$4 per person per month. Ball park estimate.

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Is JW.org overriding entry into JW.net?

by Hairtrigger in

tried to get into jw.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of jw's is jw.org.

this was about 2 hours back.

anybody with a similar experience?.

Hairtrigger

Sorryeveryone those are four separate quatrains. They were separated when I wrote them but after I hit "submit", they seemed to have jumbled up

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Is JW.org overriding entry into JW.net?

by Hairtrigger in

tried to get into jw.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of jw's is jw.org.

this was about 2 hours back.

anybody with a similar experience?.

Hairtrigger

Thanks everyone for your comments. It happened again. I tried logging into JW.net and the popup jack-in-the boxed again informing me that the official site for JW's is JW.org. Somethings not right here.

Omar Khayyam puts life and death in an epicurean nutshell:

Often when young did I eagerly frequent

Doctor and saint and heard great argument

About this and about but evermore

Came out by the same door as in I went.

Into this world and why not knowing

Nor whence like water willy- nilly flowing

and out of it- like wind along the waste

I know not whither -willy-nilly blowing

Its all a chequerboard of nights and days

Where destiniy for men as pieces plays

Hither ,thither moves, mates and slays

And one by one back in the closet lays.

And that inverted bowl we call the sky

Whereunder crawling cooped we live and die

Lift not thine hands to for help

For it rolls on impotently, as thou and I

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Is JW.org overriding entry into JW.net?

by Hairtrigger in

tried to get into jw.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of jw's is jw.org.

this was about 2 hours back.

anybody with a similar experience?.

Hairtrigger

Hello everyone . Am new here. Tried to get into JW.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of JW's is jw.org. This was about 2 hours back. Anybody with a similar experience?

Joined the Jw .net forum a few months ago- but typed in a wrong password and the site wouldn't allow me to check in, despite asking for the correct PW and typing it in . Had to change display name and finally figured out how to post.

Have read CoC and TTaTT. Many other articles on Jwfacts and other websites. Enlightening stuff. Enough to get even an average JW thinking along the right lines-which is away from its bigotry and authoritarian dogmas and dictates and its irrational phobias about clear thinking men and women. Methinks this org. is a crafty imitation of the mother church. The difference being the mother church practised -what they are now emulating -a few centuries back. Shunning; demand "donations"; secrecy in accumulating wealth and its subsquent usage; appropiating property; preying on the old and timid; irrational beliefs which have no scriptual basis; arrogating to themselves the authority of Christ and his Heavenly Father translated as infallibility and (LOL) omniscience among others.

My mental disassociation began when James' assertion in 1:16 couldn't be validated by the conversations in Job between the Evil one and J. Subsequently I've read posts with similar observations about the events in the Garden and their inconistency with James-which were in keeping with my reasonings. Which has brought me to this thought. Ancient religions of the Vikings the Greeks and Romans , Babylonians, Egyptians etc. etc. have all proven false. All their gods and godesses have been the products of colorful figments of imaginative zealotry. ( JW's believe it is -Satan's). The flaws in all the current so called "Holy" books -no religion excepted -makes it obvious that they are nothing but ambitious current editions of an ancient fictionalized concept. There is only one TRUTH. SCIENCE and THE NEVER ENDING INQUIRY INTO IT by the human brain. That is the only hope for everlasting life for man. Till science doesn't figure out ways to combat aging, disease and death, we have but a short time to live. These are my thoughts . You are welcome to comment.

Peaceseeker