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  No Bible = No God?

  by menrov in

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  2. bible

  some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

  what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

  would you still believe in a creator?.

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  No bible does not equal no god. It only equals no bible god, which a kind of obvious.

  To Perry: Martyrdom does not equal truth. This is also obvious because martyrs have died while holding opposing beliefs.
  
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  JW Funeral Talk Outline

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi all,.

  a friend has a jw funeral coming up and wants some input if possible, so a copy of the latest outline would be invaluable to him when he talks to the elders, another question he and his brother, neither now jw's, wish to give a eulogy, is this allowed ?.

  any advice will be greatly appreciated..

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  Hi Phizzy,

  I did my speech at the crematorium for my grandma. I don't think that any elders are going to allow non-JW's to get up on the platform in a kingdom hall though. I think your best hope for that is to get the elder doing the talk in the hall to include *some* information about the deceased, not just that they were a great JW and did lots of ministry.
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  The John Cedars Channel on YouTube taken down after posting a critique of leaked videos for Regional (District) Convention

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the wt is at it again it seems.

  playing dirty as it can, trying to silence dissenters.. the john cedars channel on youtube has been taken down after the posting of a video critique of regional (district) convention leaked videos.. sounds like something putin would do in russia.

  you know what they say, birds of a feather fly together--what a murder of crows all of'em!.

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  P.E. Did you put the whole video's up? Can't you cite Fair Use like the Cedars?
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  Is it ethical to have children?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this was a news article recently in an australian newspaper that caught my eye.. the premise was that to have a child is to inflict an extra human being onto the world and also, to inflict the world (with all its problems) onto the child.. there is a lot to say about this but from jw point of view, i have always believed it to be incredibly hypocritical that jw's have children in 'this system'.

  all my life at the meeting i heard how little time we have left, how sick the world is, how i was probably going to be persecuted and end up in a jail cell for being a jw.

  why would anyone want to become parents in this situation, particularly if they are confident there is only 'a short time left'?.

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  Ethically for Non-JW's having 2 children puts a neutral load on the system. The parents die, the kids take their place. Currently my wife and I only have 1 kid so we're having a positive effect and doing our bit to save the planet!
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  Tattoos?

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if seems to be quite fashionable nowadays for ex-jws to get a tattoo or a series of tattoos to symbolize either their time spent in the watchtower or their escape, and i kind of don't get it.

  i don't understand why someone would want a constant reminder on their body of such a horrible period in their life.

  on another forum, one woman shared that she was getting 25 bees tattooed all over her body to represent the 25 years she spent in the org.

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  mentalclarity14 hours ago14 hours ago14 hours agoI don't understand it either, but, you know, to each his own.
  On the other hand I've been dying to get a cross to wear around my neck and parade it around....

  I'd like a collection of religious symbols, like Benny in the film "The Mummy"...

  I also want to get a tattoo of a moth, I'm mad about moths, but with 2,500 species in the UK I can't decide which one to get!
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  The fly doesn't know it's in a bottle....

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ... the walls are transparent.

  so if you want to help the fly escape you first have to convince the fly that it's in a bottle, and only then can it find its way out.

  that is taken from this american life episode 635 called "chip in my brain".

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  Thanks for the recommendation. It was a fascinating listen!
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  I've Disassociated. It's getting announced tomorrow.

  by Heathen Dan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my first post to this site, im pale.emperor's brother:).

  first of all, i've left being a jw in june.

  since then my family have tried to convince me it's "the truth" and force me to go back even though it's my own decision.

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  Welcome! Your brother sounds like a great guy. I hope you two have a great time running through the fields of freedom!
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  Crisis of Conscience where to find?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

  i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

  thank you.. -jules.

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  The issue I have with Window Cleaning isn't one of class. There are three main problems:

  1) It's socially isolating.

  Unlike most jobs you have very limited contact with other people. If you work with other people then they will be JW's as well. Interaction with householders is brief.

  2) It offers no skill advancement

  Once you have learned the skill of window cleaning you never need to learn anything else. You don't start as an apprentice cleaner, spend years learning the trade and become an expert. Also it doesn't teach any skills that can transfer to a better career. I call window cleaning the velvet trap, because you can earn decent money, but you can't escape.

  3) There is no security in older age

  You do not get a decent pension as a window cleaner and every year your joints get a little bit stiffer but you have to keep on working.

  You may turn your window cleaning round into a successful business and start employing other JW's and eventually have an income without having to hump a ladder yourself, but in order to achieve that you have to bend the JW rules and ignore the whispering as you pursue a "materialistic" goal. So it's not the people that are the issue, it's the job itself.
  
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  May I ask for help about Egyptian chronology and Neolithic settlements?

  by paradiseseeker in

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  2. friends

  one of the first things that shook my faith as a teenager was learning about egypt and how its history goes back as far as 3500 bc, much earlier than the flood.

  also learning about the first settlements like çatalhöyük, which flourished around 7500 bc, much earlier than the creation of adam.

  the only answer i got from my mother was that this world is dominated by satan and thus we cannot trust in worldly chronologies.

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  I'd like to give a double like to Half Banana's post! Fascinating, thank you.
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  Why did the Governing Body come behind the curtain?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the movie the wizard of oz, while the whole yellow brick road gang was being addressed by the great and powerful wizard of oz, the dog toto ran off to the side, pulled back on a curtain, and showed that a normal-looking humbug of a person was operating cranks and levers.

  for a short while, the normal-looking man kept yanking levers and cranking cranks, and said into the microphone (which made the great and powerful wizard speak the same words) "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

  i am the great and powerful wiz .

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  The title of this thread really needs a "From" after the word "Curtain". As it is, it reads like the worst Porno ever.