Posts by Onager

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An honest look at the situation

by Formerbrother in

i was brought up in the truth.

i saw a lot unchristian things going on in my local body of elders, my dad was an elder and waiting outside elders meetings to go home with my mum and other wives, we sometimes heard raised voices in the 2nd school.

the other mums would raise their voices as well thinking of something to say to hide the elders 'private' arguments.. my dad hated it all, i think he hated having to keep things secret from my mum and me.. anyway, i got baptised, and as we did back then didnt think about further education but instead pioneered.

Onager

Hi Formerbrother,

I was a window cleaner like yourself when I was in my mid 20's, and still a JW, but I had the great fortune to fall off my ladder and fracture my back. Because of that accident I was able to get free back-to-work training so I took all the computing courses I could which led to my first office job and for the next 20 years I have been continuously employed in jobs with pension contributions, paid holiday and sick days and all the other benefits.

Because of my JW upbringing I never went to university or even Sixth form, but I am now a database developer with a lot of experience.

I don't advise the falling off a ladder approach but I would say to get on some college courses and get out of window cleaning. If you love window cleaning then maybe look at small business management and bookkeeping courses and become a window cleaning company manager and build an empire!

Why do you still go to meetings? Do you like being beaten with a stick?

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On and off again JW girlfriend

by Crzysin in

hello everyone, i have an on and off again ex who is a jw.

each time her family gets involved and she's gone again.

i'm debating biting the bullet and doing the work to become baptized, so we can follow through with our engagement.

Onager

Thoughts:

DO. NOT. GET. BAPTISED.

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Are you better off as a worldly person or a JW?

by Jules Saturn in

i was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a witness later in life.

he argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back.

i agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of witnesses but i do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in.

Onager

You know there's a reason that in all the films about dystopian totalitarian societies the hero is trying to escape\bring down said totalitarian society? They're not a good thing!

There's usually a character in the film who is happy being a slave. Think about the man in the Matrix eating steak and smoking a cigar. That's a PIMO that's happier being IN. He knows about the matrix, he know's it's not real, but he's happy eating up the lies.

Don't be that guy. Be Neo!

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How to "turn the tables" on still-in witness who pry about our status.

by stuckinarut2 in

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so many of us have had (perhaps well-meaning) jws ask us questions about our inactivity, or lack of attendance at meetings.

they may pry about why..... how is this for a simple, yet straight to the point response?

to a sincere person, it may play on their mind and make them ask more questions.

Onager

cha ching8 hours ago8 hours agoI understand what you are saying scratchme.... I kind of feel the same way.... I know how JWs think…
But........
Like stuckinarut was musing... I want to have a retort ready, to blast them if they ask. Kind of a 'damned if they do, and damned if they don't" kind of answer. I don’t like being left speechless, like I just got hit on the head.
My JW uber duber sister, with an elder for a husband, came up to me as I came to clean my JW mother's house, and announced to me:
"I just want you to know. We know you are not disfellowshipped, but you don't believe in the name of Jehovah. You are an apostate, and we ARE going to shun you"

One possible answer could be:

"It is incredibly rude to tell a person what they believe. If you dictate my beliefs to me again I swear I will S**t in your screaming mouth. Now F**k off back in your box you glassy-eyed C**kwomble."

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Can the Borg tell what sites I've been to?

by purrpurr in

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if i go to the jw website and then afterward to say this website, is it likely that the jw website has then tracked what websites i go to after visiting theirs?.

i don't know how cookies work btw .

Onager

If I was a JW or cared I would be worried too. The internet is a weird black box machine that I have no idea how it works, but I do know that if I go on Amazon and search for Shaun the sheep movie dvd's and then go onto Facebook, the adverts are Shaun the sheep related. So you are carrying some kind of data "stink" around with you when you travel the internet. I believe that deleting cookies or private browsing stops this happening. It's internet deodorant...

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Secret Societies involved at the very top of the Org

by Formerbrother in

are all the gb members past and present, part of skulls and bones and other masonic secret societies?

we know the first few top brass were, like br rutherford and br russel.. they all have several expensive watches.

like literally more than one for everyday of the week, rolex and omega, where did they come from?

Onager

I think all that bling is explained by the GB having access to all the donations from the JW community. No need for secret societies, just normal human greed.

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Humans brought to Earth, not native to it.

by Bad_Wolf in

below i link the article.

i thought some points on the claim were interesting.

such as how prolonged direct exposure to sunlight hurts us vs other animals, sicknesses, etc.

Onager

Bad_Wolf4 hours ago
Steve2 - I don't need to hear anything. I just want to know where we really came from and solid evidence to back it up. Origins of life thus far are just like religions, all may claim they are correct but like religion none can prove themselves.

That's not how it works. There is no absolute proof. What you have are working hypotheses. The current hypothesis is that life started here on earth gradually evolved more complexity and that humans evolved out of that process.

What evidence do you have that validates your hypothesis and, more importantly, that invalidates the current hypothesis?

20

How is life better?

by Freedom rocks in

i know this thread has probably been covered in the past but i thought it would be nice for newbies and lurkers and just a reminder to those that left a while ago.. how has your life improved since leaving the cult?

are you happy?

have you made some amazing friends or maybe met an amazing partner in the world?.

Onager

I embrace ignorance now. Or rather that it's ok not to have answers to stuff.

"How did life get here, by evolution or creation?" - I don't know. I do know it wasn't evolution though. Evolution says nothing about the origin of life, only the origin of species.

"Is there a God who cares?" - I don't know and neither do you.

"Is there life after death?" - I don't know.

I don't have all the answers, in fact I only have a tiny percentage of answers. What I do have, though, is a working model of reality that doesn't rely on wishful thinking, denial and claiming to know the answers to questions that are essentially unanswerable.

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

Onager

I don't watch John Cedar's videos nowadays because I only want a general overview of what's going on in JW land and not an in depth analysis. When I first started looking, though, his videos and website were invaluable. Mr Grundy's website is amazing and the best resource on the internet (that I know of) but I was only led to it initially by the more easily accessible talking head of Mr Cedars.

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Demon dog

by lastmanstanding in

look at the picture for yesterday's watchtower study.

see the good jw folks sitting around the campfire..... zoooom in on that campfire.

have a good look..

Onager

I "clearly" see two cats in the fire. There's a tabby cat sitting upright on the left side and on the right another cat is in the act of hitting the tabby cat round the face.