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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

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  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Hilarious!

  It certainly is.

  The questions still stand.

  My answers do also.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  I agree with the anybody reading this thread part. Yes anybody reading this will see you for what you really are.

  In fact, I've had many people pm me about you as a result of this thread. Now I see why.

  Good night to you also.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Incredible. When you want to have an honest debate and answer real questions please feel free to do so. You are making statements without giving anything to back them up at all. You have a complete refusal to answer a single question. Just by saying I'm in error does not make it so. It is you that has lots of work ahead of you.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  I refer you to this statement you made: "I am not denying that worship is rendered to Jesus in the bible - this is particularly clear in Revelation."

  So are you saying the Father does not glorify the Son? Are you now saying Jesus is not to be worshiped? When earlier you said that He is?

  I have already answered you. It really is quite simple. Jesus being fully man (and fully God) and a perfect sinless man obeys the law and therefore worships God. Being also fully God means He is not less than the Father.

  John 5:18 says clearly Jesus was making Himself equal with God. That is not the words of any other man talking, that is Scripture. They knew who He was claiming to be.

  I am giving straight answers to your questions. I'm still waiting for your answers.

  Are you going to answer any of my questions now?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Jesus remained a man therefore would continue to worship the Father. I'm more than happy for you to ask questions about that.

  I've already answered your question. I don't see why God the Father would need to worship the Son, being a man. To the best of my knowledge that isn't clear in the Bible. I've already shown where the Bible says that the Father glorifies Jesus and declares that He is to be worshiped. That you have agreed to. That being said, the Bible states, God alone is to be worshiped. How can you explain that? (add that to the list of unanswered questions).

  Are you going to answer any of my questions now?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  After His resurrection Jesus remained fully man and fully God.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  While I still don't see a question there I will try to decipher one. I will assume your question is: "If Jesus worshiped God and the Father is the God of Jesus that how can that not mean the Father is greater than the Son?"

  Jesus the man was born subject to the law (Galatians 4:4) and therefore was required to worship God as well as acknowledge Him as God (Deuteronomy 6:13). Philippians 2:7 says Jesus emptied himself and took on the form of a man. Therefore He used to be of a much higher position until He became a man. When Jesus worships God and calls him His God here is merely keeping the law as a man. That does not mean He is not also fully God though.

  Are you going to answer any of my questions now?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Where is your question? You are far from clear. This little symbol '?' denotes a question. See my first sentence for an example.

  You haven't mentioned any verses at all thus far.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  If you read the context of 1 Corinthians 11:3 it is talking about the authority of God over Christ. That has nothing to do with importance or who's better. The context is all about how man is the head of the woman just as God is the head of Christ. Authority not inequality. Do you consider a man to be more important or better than woman because he is her head? He is submissive to the Father especially since becoming a man but that does not mean He is less than God. John 10:30 Jesus says "I and the Father are one" indicating their equality.

  I've not evaded any question so far. I've answered all of your questions. So far, you have answered none of mine.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  designs: why are you bringing Jews into this? I thought this debate was based on the Bible as we know it, OT + NT. I believe the Bible is complete, real and true it is fulness. I'm not trying to debate that issue. I also believe it has been accurately translated. Except for the NWT ofc.