Posts by jonza

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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza
- Jesus is Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6
- Jesus is the I AM - John 8:58
- God is the I AM - Exodus 3:14
- Jesus is the First and the Last - Revelation 22:13
- God is the First and the Last - Isaiah 44:6
- Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 22:13
- God is the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8
- There is no god before or after God - Isaiah 43:10
- There is only one true God - John 17:3
- There is only one creator - Isaiah 44:24
- God alone was creator- Isaiah 44:24
- Jesus is creator - Colossians 1:16-17
How can you explain that Jesus is not God based on the above?
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

When I said components I was not meaning each being only part God, but each component being fully God. That is not Partialism. It probably was not the best word to use, due to you using it to try to twist my meaning. But it is how I was taught it as a child. As you can see from my previous post what I believe:

it is made up of three individual persons.

The same is true of you twisting my meaning of the time example. It was not modalism, where God reveals Himself in different modes. I said:

I've heard it also described like time, past present and future, but all are of the same substance and same in nature, but each unque.

That is not God showing Himself in different modes. It is simply an illustration to attempt our tiny brains to understand God in an extremely limited way.
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza
- Jesus is Mighty God
- Jesus is the I AM
- God is the I AM
- Jesus is the First and the Last
- God is the First and the Last
- Jesus is the Alpha and Omega
- God is the Alpha and Omega
- There is no god before or after God
- There is only one true God
- There is only one creator
- God alone was creator
- Jesus is creator
How can you explain that Jesus is not God based on the above?
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

Nothing dishonest about it. My post prior to that stated what I believe. Then I went on to say what I was taught as a child.

It is sad you have resorted to that.

It is sad you refuse to answer any of my questions, yet I have answered all of yours.
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

Just spat my tea all over my laptop. Thanks.

You're welcome.
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

factfinder: So you believe Jesus is just a Mighty God? not Almighty? So you believe Almighty is greater than just Mighty?
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

3 persons that are in total unison, not comitee. You could describe it as the 3 natures of the same being. In church years ago, I had it explainedlike you take a person, they have a brain that is like the Father. They have a spirit like the Holy Spirit, and a body like Jesus. Three components, one being that is YHWH. I've heard it also described like time, past present and future, but all are of the same substance and same in nature, but each unque.

(emphasis mine)

I was saying how I was explained it by someone when I was a child. Not what I now believe.
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

You responded to some of my points, you didn't answer anything.

There is no question there. How can I answer an unasked question?

I responded to you your points. Jesus the man would worship God His Father to fulful the law. Also, as a man the Father would be His God also. How much more clear can it get?
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

Yes I read your posts. Nothing contradicted. I answered all of your questions. You answered none of mine.

You don't even know the "real concept of the trinity". You were preaching partialism a few pages ago until I explained it to you.

Are you referring to where you misquoted me? I assume you picked that practice up from the WT.
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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?
by booker-t in
1. watchtower
2. bible
this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.
jonza

Nothing in the Bible contradicts with the real concept of the trinity. Again you keep making claims with nothing to back them up.