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  THE ALTERNATIVE DAILY TEXT by The Witchtower editor

  by processor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have published more than 200 'daily text' comments in german, and will now start translating those into english.

  they will be published here:.

  http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/.

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  jonza

  While there had still been 8,685 anointed ones in 1988, only 13,204 of them were left in 2013

  I lolled.
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  Have you noticed the common practice is to knock indivual's self esteem?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread, one of our members made a comment that caught my attention.. i have been trying to put my finger on a practice amongst the org and witnesses in general.... as soon as someone does something well, accomplishes something, or excels at something, the atmosphere effectiveley 'kicks them in the gut' to bring them down.. anything that makes a person grow or develop is blatently discouraged and therefore self esteem is squashed!.

  the constant message telling a witness to be 'humble' is designed to suck any sense of growth or 'betterment' out of a person..... therefore this leaves the average witness to be a blubbering mess of insecurity and instability completely dependant on the organization...kind of like a 'battered-wife' scenario.... .

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  jonza

  My JW gf's self esteem is incredibly low. She's always putting herself down, calling herself stupid/fat etc. She's actually incredibly intellegent, fluent in two languages and is drop dead gorgeous. I compliment her all the time to help her, which helps but she does feel the world is against her. I am sure this is because of the WT.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  All of them.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Cofty, you have not answered any question directly. You are being completely evasive. Still making claims with nothing to back yourself up. You are not debating you are stating things as fact with no evidence.

  Good luck with that apology!
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  The bible is a mish-mash of conflicting superstitious beliefs.

  Cofty and others, your denial that Jesus is God is really down to you not believing the NT is acurate. If you believe the Bible is the word of God that you have to come to the conclusion Jesus is YHWH. If you don't believe in the Bible it doesn't really make much sense trying to debate what it shows.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Cofty, can you also please cite references for your points?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  • Jesus is Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6
  • Jesus is the I AM - John 8:58
  • God is the I AM - Exodus 3:14
  • Jesus is the First and the Last - Revelation 22:13
  • God is the First and the Last - Isaiah 44:6
  • Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 22:13
  • God is the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8
  • There is no god before or after God - Isaiah 43:10
  • There is only one true God - John 17:3
  • There is only one creator - Isaiah 44:24
  • God alone was creator- Isaiah 44:24
  • Jesus is creator - Colossians 1:16-17

  How can you explain that Jesus is not God based on the above?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  When I said components I was not meaning each being only part God, but each component being fully God. That is not Partialism. It probably was not the best word to use, due to you using it to try to twist my meaning. But it is how I was taught it as a child. As you can see from my previous post what I believe:

  it is made up of three individual persons.

  The same is true of you twisting my meaning of the time example. It was not modalism, where God reveals Himself in different modes. I said:

  I've heard it also described like time, past present and future, but all are of the same substance and same in nature, but each unque.

  That is not God showing Himself in different modes. It is simply an illustration to attempt our tiny brains to understand God in an extremely limited way.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  • Jesus is Mighty God
  • Jesus is the I AM
  • God is the I AM
  • Jesus is the First and the Last
  • God is the First and the Last
  • Jesus is the Alpha and Omega
  • God is the Alpha and Omega
  • There is no god before or after God
  • There is only one true God
  • There is only one creator
  • God alone was creator
  • Jesus is creator

  How can you explain that Jesus is not God based on the above?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Nothing dishonest about it. My post prior to that stated what I believe. Then I went on to say what I was taught as a child.

  It is sad you have resorted to that.

  It is sad you refuse to answer any of my questions, yet I have answered all of yours.