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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

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  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  jonza

  If they weren't still enemies things would have probably been different. If they were repentant they would have been forgiven, but they weren't. They were still enemies. So it remains, if a few had to perish so that all man kind could have salvation then that would be just.

  I see your points though, if you don't believe in God or that he is all knowing. If he didn't know those babies would grow up to be enemies and still present a threat to salvation then that god would be an evil tyrant. However, if he is all knowing, and just and had to do something to ensure we had salvation and that was the only option then it would be just.
  
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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  jonza

  The 400 year gap is irrelevant, at that time they were still a real threat to Israel and long term enemies. They were not innocent people. Yes, the infants at the time were innocent, but an all knowing God would know that they would grow up to also be enemies. When you're talking about the salvation of all mankind, present, past and future it puts it into context.
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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  jonza

  If God really does know everything and the outcome of every possible action and decided to do what he did in order to save everyone throughout history then it would have been a loving act for humanity as a whole. Same logic.
  
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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  jonza

  It's more than possible there was no other way and if so the logic still holds true.
  
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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  jonza

  The logic is simple, slaughter several thousands of people to give all human kind throughout history a chance of survival.
  
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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  jonza

  https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/joshua-esther/why-would-god-order-destruction-men-women-and-children
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  Why I remain one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Brother Jeramy in

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  2. beliefs

  allow me to begin with a clarification: when i say i am one of jehovah's witnesses, i don't mean that i am an advocate of the watchtower society or a devotee of some of its more controversial false teachings.

  i mean that i am a christian, a disciple of jesus christ dedicated to jehovah god, and who remains in union with my brothers and sisters who make up the family of faith that globally refers to itself as jehovah's witnesses.

  some totally understand the distinction between the family of brothers and sisters and the corporate organization known as the watchtower society (wts).

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  jonza

  Galatians 1:1-12. States there is only one gospel. The WT does not teach the gospel of the Bible. Far far from it. They have it completely wrong on so many issues and levels, and mostly in major important topics too.
  

  They are also proven false prophets, which the Bible says to stay away from.

  They are also proven to be liars, which the Bible also says to turn away from.

  If you know these things, and yet are still willing to stay in that organization you are far more delusional than you realize.

  
  These people you call family would chew you up and spit you out the first chance they could get the moment you put a foot out of line. That's not family. That's mixing company with other people who are just as delusional as you, who are fully under the control of 7 old men in NYC

  BTW, I'm not a bitter 'apostate'. I've never been a JW.
  
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  Jehovah Witness net - Bug

  by redvip2000 in

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  2. experiences

  has anybody else noticed a bug with this website, where once you publish your post, only a section of it is actually posted.. this happens to me about half the time.

  i'm not sure if it only happens with firefox on a mac, but i will try on a different browser.. i got to the point where i actually copy my post, then publish it, and then go back to it and paste the text again, so i don't have to write the whole thing again..

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  jonza

  I'm on FF and have that problem frequently. It's very strange, as just certain portions are removed.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to hand over top secret manual to Finland officials

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://yle.fi/uutiset/jehovahs_witnesses_to_hand_over_top_secret_manual/7244267.

  16.5.2014 7:00 | updated 16.5.2014 17:10

  jehovah's witnesses to hand over top secret manual.

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  jonza

  This is from last year
  
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  My wife is frightened about the end/ What to say without sounding Apostate?

  by suavojr in

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  my wife called me at work saying she is scared after reading today's daily text.

  i don't read it anymore, therefore i went online and found this.. tuesday, march 3 .

  those days will be cut short.matt.

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  jonza

  Maybe you could read this: Matthew 24:6 "See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.". Then maybe like others said, focus on how to be saved. (whether you believe it or not, it may help her)