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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  All of them.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Cofty, you have not answered any question directly. You are being completely evasive. Still making claims with nothing to back yourself up. You are not debating you are stating things as fact with no evidence.

  Good luck with that apology!
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  The bible is a mish-mash of conflicting superstitious beliefs.

  Cofty and others, your denial that Jesus is God is really down to you not believing the NT is acurate. If you believe the Bible is the word of God that you have to come to the conclusion Jesus is YHWH. If you don't believe in the Bible it doesn't really make much sense trying to debate what it shows.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Cofty, can you also please cite references for your points?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  • Jesus is Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6
  • Jesus is the I AM - John 8:58
  • God is the I AM - Exodus 3:14
  • Jesus is the First and the Last - Revelation 22:13
  • God is the First and the Last - Isaiah 44:6
  • Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 22:13
  • God is the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8
  • There is no god before or after God - Isaiah 43:10
  • There is only one true God - John 17:3
  • There is only one creator - Isaiah 44:24
  • God alone was creator- Isaiah 44:24
  • Jesus is creator - Colossians 1:16-17

  How can you explain that Jesus is not God based on the above?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  When I said components I was not meaning each being only part God, but each component being fully God. That is not Partialism. It probably was not the best word to use, due to you using it to try to twist my meaning. But it is how I was taught it as a child. As you can see from my previous post what I believe:

  it is made up of three individual persons.

  The same is true of you twisting my meaning of the time example. It was not modalism, where God reveals Himself in different modes. I said:

  I've heard it also described like time, past present and future, but all are of the same substance and same in nature, but each unque.

  That is not God showing Himself in different modes. It is simply an illustration to attempt our tiny brains to understand God in an extremely limited way.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  • Jesus is Mighty God
  • Jesus is the I AM
  • God is the I AM
  • Jesus is the First and the Last
  • God is the First and the Last
  • Jesus is the Alpha and Omega
  • God is the Alpha and Omega
  • There is no god before or after God
  • There is only one true God
  • There is only one creator
  • God alone was creator
  • Jesus is creator

  How can you explain that Jesus is not God based on the above?
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Nothing dishonest about it. My post prior to that stated what I believe. Then I went on to say what I was taught as a child.

  It is sad you have resorted to that.

  It is sad you refuse to answer any of my questions, yet I have answered all of yours.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  Just spat my tea all over my laptop. Thanks.

  You're welcome.
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  Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

  the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

  the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

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  jonza

  factfinder: So you believe Jesus is just a Mighty God? not Almighty? So you believe Almighty is greater than just Mighty?