From the 1984 edition: for whom Jehovah loves he disciplines; in fact, he scourges every one whom he receives as a son.”
Both the 1984 and the 2013 revision can be accessed on the website here: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/
Enlightenment123
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Help. I need to know how Hebrews 12:6 reads in the old NWT.
by donuthole ini'm working on a rewrite of happiness: how to find it.
the book is set in the 1990's so i need quotes from the old new world translation.
can anyone help me out with hebrews 12:6?
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What is this new Announcement to take place in August?
by Quarterback injust heard from an elder.
he told me that there is another change to be announced in august.
he didn't know more about it.. any other info?.
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Enlightenment123
There are some interesting talks on the program for the convention. There's absolutely no way I'm going to drive six hours to listen to this stuff, but if other people here are going... I wonder if someone could record it?
Some of interest...
A Century of Kingdom Rule Contrasted with a Century of Satan's Rule... 1914 nonsense.
How Babylon the Great Has "Shut Up the Kingdom"....I'd love to hear this one and how much they bash all other religions.
Symposium: What Must Be Kept in Second Place? More pushing for completely abandoning sports, education, marriage, etc. so you can spend more time in service. This is not scriptural in the least.
Sacred Secrets of the Kingdom Progressively Revealed... sounds like new light!
Jehovah's Organization - 100 Years of Seeking First God's Established Kingdom... yeah, this will be one of those "please don't leave after October!" talks.
Drama: Not One Word Has Failed...I wonder if this will be a sly talk to con people into not looking at the WT history, false dates, all that good stuff.
Never Be Anxious - Keep Seeking First God's Kingdom... translation: Give, give, give! More, more, more!
Now that I typed this out, I kinda do want to go. Should be most entertaining.
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funny comment about the invitation campaign....
by Lied2NoMore inwas out with jw friends at a bar overconsuming and the special invitation campaign topic came up.....the following comment was said.... "sure like someone will want to drive 5 hours to the convention just to sit and listen to an hour public talk then drive 5 hours back home.....there is no point to inviting people to something that they would never attend".
....i think there may be some hope for my friend..... yes its a 5 hour drive from where i live to the convention site....im being begged to go even if i just sit in the hotel room...fun for me!.
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Enlightenment123
This year, the closest one to me is six hours away. Only a handful of people from the congs around here are even bothering to go. Maybe there's hope for them yet.
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Why has the watchtower never written a commentary on the Greek scriptures?
by kneehighmiah inthey have writes hundreds of other repetitive books, but no bible commentary.
is it because an actually commentary would destroy their doctrine and prevent them from being able to cherry pick scriptures?.
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Enlightenment123
Just saw a question like this on Yahoo Answers :) I didn't answer it there, but I'll answer it here. I don't think they would dare do that. In theory, it would destroy the doctrine. People would see that they're preaching the wrong thing and it's not about 'Jehovah', it's all about Jesus. They might actually figure out that when you cherry pick scriptures, all it really does is come back to bite you in the ass.
It doesn't really matter anyway though...if you have an altered Bible like the NWT, all you really have to do is write an altered commentary to match.
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C.T. Russel IS burried UNDER the pyramid
by FFtruther144 inrussel is burried under the pyramid.
according to none other than frederick franz himself, in his own words!.
i read some wt trolls on here trying to say that he is under the marker a few feet away.. that is not true.
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Enlightenment123
Unbelievable. This video is gone. The WT must be getting really dang desperate. Dallywally72's entire YouTube account is gone for copyright infringement. You can still hear the entire talk on the link I posted before...until they find a way to remove that too, anyway.
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C.T. Russel IS burried UNDER the pyramid
by FFtruther144 inrussel is burried under the pyramid.
according to none other than frederick franz himself, in his own words!.
i read some wt trolls on here trying to say that he is under the marker a few feet away.. that is not true.
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Enlightenment123
You can listen to the talk in full here: https://archive.org/details/DecisionMyLifeStoryByFredFranz
It's from 1985, approximately.
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Today's wt study re "selfishness"
by stuckinarut2 inoh god!!
today's study is so full of classic manipulative comments..... i can't even begin to tear it apart.......... anyone want to start?.
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Enlightenment123
Nevermind. Found it :)
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Today's wt study re "selfishness"
by stuckinarut2 inoh god!!
today's study is so full of classic manipulative comments..... i can't even begin to tear it apart.......... anyone want to start?.
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Enlightenment123
What WT is it? I've been away far too long to remember how far back it goes for the actual WT study. I'd like to see this one...sounds like a load of crap.
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Heads Up: Special Day Assembly with Anthony Morris III Tomorrow in San Diego county, CA
by Piercingtheveil81 injust a heads up to anyone interested in hearing this jerky.
anthony morris iii will be the guest speaker for tomorrow's spanish assembly at the escondido assembly hall.
just google the address to get directions.. i was thinking of bringing a copy of my sparlok video for a autograph ;).
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Enlightenment123
I would LOVE to hear what this clown has to say if someone can record it. I would go and do it if I weren't in Texas. It'll no doubt be a good one.
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My Elderette is returning today to CONDUCT another conversation...
by Faithful Witness inshe has had 42 years of training and indoctrination.
i'm feeling sort of nervous, but also looking forward to it.
this will be our second scheduled session together, and we never did agree on a topic.. i'm assuming she will come with an agenda and another prepared presentation.
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Enlightenment123
Wow. Just wow. I love your posts :)
I've tried that exact sanctifying His Father's name thing with JWs too. Never got any further than you did. But it's one of those...sure, Jesus knew it, but does He call His Father by the proper name, or would He call him Father? If your dad's name is Bob, do you call him Bob or dad? He instructed us to call Him Father. Not a personal name.
The divine name was edited out of the scriptures about 250 years before Jesus' birth. The Jews were very superstitious and didn't believe it should ever be uttered out loud. They used Elohim or Adonai instead. So it was replaced with LORD long before Jesus. Even if He did say the actual name, it isn't Jehovah. Jehovah is an anglicized version of YHWH invented by a Catholic monk in the 13th century...Raymundus Martini. Jehovah is a false name. Yahweh would be closer. No one on earth knows the correct pronunciation, but scholars agree that Jehovah makes no sense in Hebrew and is a very bad translation. Earlier, some JWs I was talking to were saying Jehovah is English so it's easier and if someone named Juan came to the US and people couldn't pronounce it, they'd probably call him John. But this argument is silly...cause how hard is it to say Yahweh over Jehovah?
If she really wants to go over the Bible teach book with you, I say go for it. But prepare first. There's a man that wrote a book dissecting it - Wilbur Lingle. He takes it section by section to prove how wrong it is and gives lots of leading questions, one after the other, to reach the ultimate question for a particular point. By the time you reach that one, the JW is totally stuck and it should really make them think about what that book says. You can read it here: http://thesnarkyapologist.blogspot.com/ (Response to What Does the Bible Really Teach - how to respond to this publication).
Looking forward to your next post :)
EDIT: Island Man has good points. There are scriptures that are clearly speaking about Jesus but it says Jehovah. They've added it many, many more times than what is quoted from the OT.