Posts by HeyThere

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As I move further away from theWT.....

by Viviane in

i've, over the years, looked into many religions.

obviously, from those that have seen me post here, i've become an atheist simply because i couldn't find any reason to believe in god.

recently, though, over the past few months, a new change has started.

HeyThere

I am struggling with that at the moment. I have very fond memories of church as a child. I attended methodist primarily but a few others who were all independent churches who were involved in various humanitarian efforts and charity. I loved going on missions trips to help build schools and having holiday dinners where all the kids cooked a meal, adults came a paid for the meal as if at a restaurant and we used proceeds to feed the homeless. We had fun and helped others. It was a great experience.

However, my experience with the Jws caused me to research more and the more I researched the more I realized the bible is not only full of holes that I did not see as a youth, but also taking natural events and turning them into acts of god. As an educated adult I just can't believe these things. I consider myself agnostic now. There could be intelligent design, but I don't see how a loving God would continue to punish billions over time due to Adam and Eve's mistake.

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Child sex abuse cases mentioned at weekly meeting?

by HeyThere in

okay, tonight someone told me that one of the elders actually addressed the child sex abuse cases at the weeknight meeting this past week.

she said the speaker said that accusations are being made against the truth but that they should stand firm in the truth and that they are going to continue fighting these allegations and that all should stand firm for jehovah or some similar comments.... did anyone else hear this from the stage?.

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HeyThere

More to add to my rant

I have not attended anything watchtower since June. My husband was actually shunning me for a period of time because I had questioned the org. Normal people just don't do that, this cult gets so deep with the emotions of the congregation that normalcy changes. It is unnerving.

We have been fine for the past few months, we just do not talk religion. A few days ago I asked if he heard about the recent case. He hadnt. I told him how the gb refused to provide documents and even to testify despite court orders. His response: they just don't want to be in the spotlight. So I said, to avoid the spot light they would risk contempt of court or losing millions of dollars? He shrugged. He does know the child abuse topic is one that convinced me to stop going. I pushed with one more statement about how there are many more cases in the pipeline all showing known child sex abusers were allowed to remain in the cong and more kids were harmed as a result. This whole issue and how so many JW's ignore it bothers me greatly.

Yes, there is always the option of focusing on the good and ignoring the bad. But that is how evil wins.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. (Edmond burke)

Edmund

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Child sex abuse cases mentioned at weekly meeting?

by HeyThere in

okay, tonight someone told me that one of the elders actually addressed the child sex abuse cases at the weeknight meeting this past week.

she said the speaker said that accusations are being made against the truth but that they should stand firm in the truth and that they are going to continue fighting these allegations and that all should stand firm for jehovah or some similar comments.... did anyone else hear this from the stage?.

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HeyThere

Marina, I agree. I have never been an official jw, but made it to unbaptized pub earlier this year. My husband is born in but was inactive when I met and married him, and for over a decade of our marriage. There were a number of things that happened in a short period of time that made me leave, despite my husband's protests. I saw a news article about Candice conti, was damn near bullied into signing an advance directive to prohibit blood for a major surgery ( those blood videos are so biased! Omg! Big Red flag for me) and my husband and his families response to my questions, as well as members of the hall I was attending, the ladies I studied with.

WHAT I have learned about this cult cannot be unlearned, and I simply will not support such a corrupt organization. Sure, there are good things, such as some of the people, teaching of morals, etc. But the bad does outweigh the good. The good people in the org would still be good people outside of the org. The org itself is manipulative, the writing is manipulation of emotions at its finest, and the way they always ask for money, talk so badly about other religions, hypocritical behavior, no transparency with spending, hiding child molesters, etc. The bad is soooooooo bad. It's organized crime, really. Protected under the guise of religion.

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Child sex abuse cases mentioned at weekly meeting?

by HeyThere in

okay, tonight someone told me that one of the elders actually addressed the child sex abuse cases at the weeknight meeting this past week.

she said the speaker said that accusations are being made against the truth but that they should stand firm in the truth and that they are going to continue fighting these allegations and that all should stand firm for jehovah or some similar comments.... did anyone else hear this from the stage?.

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HeyThere

@sparrowdown, according to the woman that told me, ( i just confirmed with her) they specifically mentioned molesting of children. Something to the speed of "Lately there have been priests molesting and raping children and now they are trying to attack the Jehovah's Witnesses..."

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Announcement that will "test your faith"

by tezrichmond in

i saw this exact headline on jw-archive.org and couldn't find no other info about it.

anyone know anything?.

possible hoax ha ha.. .

HeyThere

GC, no one here is saying they know what is being talked about...only speculating. We will have the real deal tomorrow. Until then, what's the harm in speculation? It's not like people here are running to the kh proclaiming they already know.

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Child sex abuse cases mentioned at weekly meeting?

by HeyThere in

okay, tonight someone told me that one of the elders actually addressed the child sex abuse cases at the weeknight meeting this past week.

she said the speaker said that accusations are being made against the truth but that they should stand firm in the truth and that they are going to continue fighting these allegations and that all should stand firm for jehovah or some similar comments.... did anyone else hear this from the stage?.

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HeyThere

Okay, tonight someone told me that one of the elders actually addressed the child sex abuse cases at the weeknight meeting this past week. She said the speaker said that accusations are being made against the truth but that they should stand firm in the truth and that they are going to continue fighting these allegations and that all should stand firm for jehovah or some similar comments...

Did anyone else hear this from the stage?

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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

by breakfast of champions in

this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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HeyThere

Bake sales tend to be for a specific purpose, such as to help fund a youth group missions trip for example. Gustv I find it interesting that you find asking for money doing an activity such as bake sales as pathetic, but you don't see going door to door passing out magazines as such?

To each his own. But really, there is no comparison. It is like apples and oranges. When these churches are raising funds, it is usually for a specific purpose. To help others in need. Perhaps a food bank for the poor. Or funding missionaries. The churches I have been to have been very transparent. Full financial made available to congregants. Unlike the watchtower.

As a youth, I participated in bake sales, dinners, car washes, etc. that went towards missionary trips. On these trips we helped rebuild schools in poor areas in different countries, or to support missionaries who were in a poor country building schools or medical clinics. All funds, and I mean ALL funds, went to help others. Not the church. Which is absolutely not even comparable to the greed of the watchtower.

The watchtower is a corrupt and manipulative organization that does no humanitarian efforts. It baffles me that people keep giving more to this beast.

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comment from an uber dub regarding the $13.5 sex abuse case will just blow you away.

by joe134cd in

i was talking to an uber dub friend last night who lives in the san diego area.

he knew nothing of the $13.5 million dollar law suit.

when i tried to tell him that this is a systemic problem, and that this could perhaps be the tip of the ice burgh.

HeyThere

I sent my jw friend (met her at work like 13 years ago) a link to the news article. I have gotten no response from her. A few weeks ago I sent her a link from a different article just asking if she had seen the news, and she went on and on about knowing this is the true religion and satan and apostates use the info and it is persecution.

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Service meeting week of November 3rd! How to indoctrinate children

by stuckinarut2 in

oh yep...here we go..... this weeks service meeting has a part designed to show how children should be indoctrinated and manipulated into going "out in service".

the part first asks for the disturbingly corny cartoon clip to be played on the big screen at the halls: "lets go out in service!".

(if you haven't watched it yet, please go to jw.org and watch it....you simply won't beleive it until you see it!).

HeyThere

Oh good god my child is going to be miserable this week because no doubt my husband will be guilt tripping her. He recently agreed to only have her do fs 2xs a month. Shoot. This will be fun.

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Name the GOOD things and NICE things about Jehovah's Witnesses

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so in the interests of balance....(as it has rightly been pointed out that i am getting more bitter toward the org), can we think of any positive or nice things about jehovah's witnesses?.

just throwing this topic out there....... .

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HeyThere

When I had surgery several months ago some families in the congregation brought dinner for a week. That was sweet.

I think overall witnesses are nice, and just think they are doing God's will. It's sad really.