Hey James Mixon
Thanks darkspilver, blame it on me "It was James, honest. LOL
Good find on the Nov. 8th Awake.
haha, thanks - you're cool
darkspilver
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Should JWs be watching the the Olympics?
by darkspilver infrom the awake 8 november 1994, page 26. the olympic religious mix.
the olympic games are rooted in greek religion.
they were born as a religious festival to honor zeus, supreme among the greek gods.
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UK Guardian Newspaper 13 August 2016
by darkspilver inhas anybody actually bought the grauniad?.....
from the grauniad, saturday 13 august 2016, page 14. bottom right hand side (ie in middle by fold/spine) and below a huge review of the new computer game no man's sky.
link to image below.
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Marta's speech in Company, talking to Robert:
Marta: You know what this city is? Where a person can feel it? It’s in a person’s ass. IF you’re really part of this city, relaxed, cool and in the whole flow of it, your ass is like this
(makes a large round circle with her forefinger and thumb)
if you’re just living here, runnin’ around uptight, not really part of this city, your ass is like this
(tightens the circle to nothing, making a fist).
Robert: I.... hesitate to ask.
(Marta holds up the 'tight' sign high)
Robert: That's a fascinating theory, fascinating. And at this moment, extraordinarily accurate.
(lights fade)See from 2.30 below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZcOuPnJ1_A
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Article in respected UK newspaper The Guardian - mishandling of sexual abuse
by jambon1 inone day, they are going to have to face the music here just like they did at the australian royal commission.. looking forward to they day immensely.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/12/jehovahs-witnesses-under-pressure-over-handling-of-sexual-abuse-claims.
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UK Guardian Newspaper 13 August 2016
by darkspilver inhas anybody actually bought the grauniad?.....
from the grauniad, saturday 13 august 2016, page 14. bottom right hand side (ie in middle by fold/spine) and below a huge review of the new computer game no man's sky.
link to image below.
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Hey Landy
Reposting the same thing again and again just dilutes the discussion, not to mention being fucking annoying.
They're not the same - one was for a discussion of the print article as it appeared in the newspaper - has anyone here actually bought the newspaper?
the other for drawing comparisons between the print version and the online version
similar but not the same as people starting new topics to point to the very same link with very little context or input from themselves
- I've taken time to provide a copy of the article from the print version
- I've taken time to point out the comparisons between the two articles
check out the discussion between slimboyfat and Poztate at the below link when I brought up the same point as you
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In Out Guardian hokey pokey
by darkspilver incomparing the online web article to the print article.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5481514754113536/borg-fighting-tooth-nail-turn-over-sex-abuse-records-press-taking-notehttps://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5643834453131264/uk-guardian-newspaper-13-august-2016.
using the online version as the starting point...... strike-thru for words removed from online to print.
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Comparing the online web article to the print article
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5481514754113536/borg-fighting-tooth-nail-turn-over-sex-abuse-records-press-taking-note
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5643834453131264/uk-guardian-newspaper-13-august-2016Using the online version as the starting point.....
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Jehovah's Witnesses under pressure over handling of sexual abuse claimsPressure mounts on Jehovah’s Witnesses over sex abuse claims
Organisation faces fight to prevent Charity Commission examining its records of abuse claims after supreme court rejects its attempt to block inquiryThe Jehovah’s Witnesses organisation is under increasing pressure to address its handling of sexual abuse allegations as it faces legal setbacks, bills of over £1m and a fight to prevent the Charity Commission examining its records of abuse claims.
Last month a judge upheld a ruling against the UK’s leading Jehovah’s Witnesses charity, the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Britain (WTBTS), that the Jehovah’s Witnesses had failed to protect a woman, known in proceedings as A, from sexual abuse starting when she was four years old.
Now the supreme court has rejected a highly unusual attempt by the WTBTS to block a Charity Commission inquiry into how the Jehovah’s Witnesses charity handles allegations of abuse.
The extent of the charity’s challenges and the
length oftime they have gone on for are unprecedented in recent times, said a spokesman for the Charity Commissionsaid.In A’s case the high court awarded damages and the WTBTS faces
have been left facinglegal feestotallingof about £1m after attempting to appeal against the judgement three times.The decision in A’s case sets a precedent that could expose the organisation to further claims. It continues to fight Charity Commission orders to provide documents on sexual abuse allegations, as well as other aspects of the inquiry, in lower courts.
Fay Maxted, chief executive of the Survivors Trust, a national sexual assault charity, said:
“These are cases where someone has been sexually violated and had their whole trust in the safety of their religious community blown away.“It’s deeply disappointing that a faith-based organisation appears to be so determined to try and avoid answering questions about its own behaviour”
“This is something the Catholics and Church of England have also had to deal with – these big institutions will fight and fight every step of the way.”The ways in which large institutions
– from the BBC to the Church of England –respond to allegations of sexual abuse has been under intense scrutinyin recent years. But the governmental investigation into the issue, the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (IICSA), was thrown into turmoil afterfollowingtheunexpectedresignation of its chair, Lowell Goddard, last week.The home secretary on Thursday appointedProfessor Alexis Jay has been appointed as her replacement.as the new chair.[image] £1m Legal fees that must be paid by the WTBTS after it appealed three times against a court judgment relating to sexual abuse allegations
The Guardian understands that some survivors of sexual abuse by members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are considering making submissions to the inquiry
’s truth project, astrand gathering survivors’ testimony.A, the woman at the centre of the civil case, was abused by a senior member of her congregation for five years from the age of four. It emerged during court proceedings that he had confessed to a different attack and was removed from a senior role, but had “repented” and was allowed to continue within the congregation.The police were not told and her mother said in court that she had no recollection of being warned about him.A said her mother told leading members, known as “elders”, about the abuse when she was about 14. Her attacker had been released from jail for other sex attacks and was asking to return to the congregation, she said.“All the while I had it hanging over my head that if I wanted to raise any allegations … I would be forced into a judicial committee, I would have to confront him face to face,” she told the Guardian.Although the church can “disfellowship” – expel – people for minor offences, A says her abuser was allowed to remain. “Had they discovered he was playing the lottery, he would have been disfellowshipped without question, but he admitted to them he had abused children, and he still wasn’t disfellowshipped,” A said.She finally reported the abuse to the police after the elders did nothing. “I came to the view that I would either try and kill myself again, run away or just go to the police.”He died before the police could question him about the allegation.The judge ruled the congregation was “either not warned at all or not adequately warned” about the risk posed by A’s abuser.A spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses said: “Anyone who commits the sin of child abuse faces expulsion from the congregation … Any suggestion that Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child abuse is absolutely false.”
He added: “Congregation elders do not discourage [reports to the authorities] or shield abusers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions.”Another woman, Jane*, who is also suing the organisation after she was raped by a member as an adult in 1990, said she was urged to face her rapist at a private hearing known as a judicial committee. It left her “completely traumatised” and led to the breakup of her marriage, she said.Her attacker was eventually jailed in 2014, and she decided to sue after watching elders on the witness stand. “I thought, nobody’s taken responsibility for this. You could have held up your hands and said, ‘I’m sorry, we were in the wrong’,” Jane said.The Charity Commission launched statutory inquiries into Jehovah’s Witnesses charities in May 2014. This was shortly after claims emerged that elders in the Manchester New Moston congregation held a meeting at which three adult survivors of child sex abuse were brought face to face with their abuser, shortly after his release from prison for their abuse.A spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses said: “We are in no position to, and neither would we wish to, force any victim of abuse to confront their attacker.”The commission, which has the power to investigate how charity trustees handle safeguarding, launched separate inquiries into the Manchester New Moston congregation and the WTBTS, which oversees the nation’s 1,500 congregations and is believed to play a significant role in handling allegations of abuse.The Jehovah’s Witnesses challenged both inquiries in the courts, arguing that they would breach the trustees’ human right to religious freedom. They also challenged orders to produce documents on how they had handled allegations of sexual abuse in recent years.Chris Willis Pickup, head of litigation at the Charity Commission, said: “Following two years of legal proceedings in five different courts and tribunals, the supreme court has finally brought Watch Tower’s challenge to our inquiry decision to an end.”The commission had received only “limited information” from the Jehovah’s Witnesses, he said. The Charity Commission is encouraging anyone with similar complaints to come forward.While a small number of charities launch legal appeals against the commission’s decisions, the extent of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ challenges and the length of time they have gone on for are unprecedented in recent times, a spokesman for the Charity Commission confirmed.A’s solicitor, Thomas Beale, said: “Sadly, given our experience of the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ approach to litigation in cases involving survivors of child abuse, it comes as no surprise that WTBTS has at every stage relentlessly challenged the legal basis and scope of the Charity Commission’s inquiry.“In our case … they adopted similar tactics, dragging our client through years of painful and distressing litigation … We have always maintained that this is a time for apologies, not appeals.”The Jehovah’s Witnesses said in a statement: “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse, a crime that sadly occurs in all sectors of society … We are committed to doing all we can to prevent child abuse and to provide spiritual comfort to any who have suffered from this terrible sin and crime.“We also see a need to protect the confidentiality of those who seek spiritual comfort. Nevertheless, we shall diligently abide by court judgments.” -
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UK Guardian Newspaper 13 August 2016
by darkspilver inhas anybody actually bought the grauniad?.....
from the grauniad, saturday 13 august 2016, page 14. bottom right hand side (ie in middle by fold/spine) and below a huge review of the new computer game no man's sky.
link to image below.
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Has anybody actually bought The Grauniad?..... well?....
From the Grauniad, Saturday 13 August 2016, page 14
Bottom right hand side (ie in middle by fold/spine) and below a huge review of the new computer game No Man's Sky
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Should JWs be watching the the Olympics?
by darkspilver infrom the awake 8 november 1994, page 26. the olympic religious mix.
the olympic games are rooted in greek religion.
they were born as a religious festival to honor zeus, supreme among the greek gods.
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darkspilver
Are you trying to score a cheap point here or are you serious?
No not me sir
It was James Mixon, honest!
That's why I linked to JM's post:
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Third Sector Article: Supreme Court tells Jehovah's Witness charity it cannot stop inquiry
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.thirdsector.co.uk/supreme-court-tells-jehovahs-witness-charity-cannot-stop-inquiry/governance/article/1405567.
[about third sector for those not in the uk:.
"third sector is the uk’s leading publication for everyone who needs to know what’s going on in the voluntary and not-for-profit sector."].
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I think that means that if you want to operate as if you are a charity then you must register with the CC. There is no obligation for a church to operate as a charity. They could become a non-charitable club and lose the benefits of charitable status.
I understand the law changed a few years ago - when suddenly each congregation became its own charity.
The public remit would be the public meetings they hold and the public ministry they conduct.
I think one of the things is having a public sign showing meeting times on the place of worship - I believe that may be an issue for the (Exclusive) Plymouth Brethren
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Third Sector Article: Supreme Court tells Jehovah's Witness charity it cannot stop inquiry
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.thirdsector.co.uk/supreme-court-tells-jehovahs-witness-charity-cannot-stop-inquiry/governance/article/1405567.
[about third sector for those not in the uk:.
"third sector is the uk’s leading publication for everyone who needs to know what’s going on in the voluntary and not-for-profit sector."].
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The WTS is "charitable" the way Bill and Ted were "guitarists".
As they are a 'church' - it would seem to be a legal requirement? They MUST be registered as a charity?
https://fiec.org.uk/what-we-do/strand-blog/do-you-need-to-register-with-the-charity-commission
"In England and Wales, a charity is any institution that is established wholly for charitable purposes. Most independent churches fall within this definition. Therefore, they need to register with the Charity Commission unless they are excepted from registration."
Many churches incorrectly believe that, because they are a church or a place of worship, they do not need to be registered. This is not the case. There is no blanket exemption from registration. Some, but not many, churches in England and Wales do not currently have to register. But these exceptions are now very limited and are subject to expected future changes in the law and to the changing individual circumstances of the church.
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Should JWs be watching the the Olympics?
by darkspilver infrom the awake 8 november 1994, page 26. the olympic religious mix.
the olympic games are rooted in greek religion.
they were born as a religious festival to honor zeus, supreme among the greek gods.
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From the Awake 8 November 1994, page 26
The Olympic Religious Mix
The Olympic Games are rooted in Greek religion. They were born as a religious festival to honor Zeus, supreme among the Greek gods. Various features of the modern Games have an aura of religiousness: solemn rituals for the Olympic flag, the “sacred” flame, and the Olympic oath. The nearly 100-year-old Greek hymn sung at the opening of the Games was translated into Norwegian for the opening ceremony in Lillehammer. This Olympic hymn has strong religious overtones. It is understood to be a hymn to Zeus. The lyric includes the following statements: “Immortal spirit of antiquity,/Father of the true, beautiful and good,/Descend, appear, shed over us thy light/ . . . Give life and animation to those noble games!/ . . . All nations throng to adore thee,/Oh immortal spirit of antiquity!”
The Norwegian Lutheran Church, through its own Olympic Committee, arranged for an extensive music and religious program. All major church organizations were represented in a large interfaith project. The official Olympic chaplain and an international and ecumenical clergy team were available in the Olympic Village at Lillehammer
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5962523979284480/how-much-do-olympics-athletes-earn-when-they-bring-home-medal?page=2#/6075546312114176
