Posts by darkspilver

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Clapping and singing in Conventions... like the evangelicals??

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

https://www.facebook.com/traslapados/videos/1470101566382318/?hc_ref=otherwhat do you think of this video?.

do you think they're imitating evangelicals?is this happening in other places?

?.

darkspilver

The 2nd Video - it's looks Chiliean? yes? - Templo Gaete?

https://www.facebook.com/Templo-Gaete-EECH-443126835806766/

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The beard issue

by Ray Frankz in

this is my second topic here.

sorry for this biiig post.

i would like to tell you guys about one of the things that bothered me most, despite of being something quite simple, but since it affected me directly, so.... well, being a ministerial servant, i knew the bad view the jw in general have towards beards.

darkspilver

haha!

the irony is that somebody claiming to be from US State of Colorado has just trolled the exjw reddit today

shave beard for job interviews or just trim it?

Should I shave my beard? Should I trim it clean and short like I usually do? Is it inappropriate?
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6mtnxw/shave_beard_for_job_interviews_or_just_trim_it/

Some interesting replies.

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1950- present PDF Scans of original mailed or literature counter, WTs ?

by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

i think these exist ?

has someone created pdf scans of original mailed or literature counter wts?

or have copies of those pdf's?.

darkspilver

You promised to publish a list of missing articles, darkspilver - where is it?

Sorry, was busy IRL - but I've now listed twenty articles below for you

Michael the Archangel - Who Is He?
The Bible - A Reliable Guide
The Bible - A Divine Gift
The Bible - Practical Guide for Modern Man
The Bible - Divinely Preserved to Our Day
The Bible - Reveals God's Purpose
The Scriptural View Of Begging
"God Loves a Cheerful Giver"
Scriptural Facets of Love
What Place Does Anger Have in Your Life?
"Exercise Faith in the Light"
Fear - Proper and Improper
Jehovah Forgives "in a Large Way"
"Love Jehovah... With Your Whole Mind"
What Is Included in Knowing the Name of God?
Obedience to God - Essential for Life
Adornment - Past and Present
Melchizedek - Who Was He?
"The Truth Will Set You Free"
Games in Bible Times

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1950- present PDF Scans of original mailed or literature counter, WTs ?

by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

i think these exist ?

has someone created pdf scans of original mailed or literature counter wts?

or have copies of those pdf's?.

darkspilver

Black Sheep: You might be chasing fairies.

Are fairies kinda like angels? Who is the chief angel?

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July 7, 2017 Re: Needs in the Field—Training Others

by wifibandit in

july 7, 2017 to all field missionaries, special pioneers, temporary special pioneers and regular pioneers re: needs in the field—training others.

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darkspilver

thanks

Interesting sub-text on a few levels

admitting that the pioneers generally do very limited ministry with non-pioneers?

and an indication of how bad (and shallow) most rank-and-file publishers actually are in the ministry?

(What's the 'literature offer' for this month? Do they even know? - see bottom )

the monthly presentation videos can't be helping?

actually IMHO the whole CLAM dumbing down thing isn't really helping?

oh, and literally just standing by a trolley/cart?

and yes - echos of the old 'Pioneer Assist Others' thingy ....

Kingdom Ministry September 1998

Pioneers Assist Others
1 Jesus said: “The harvest, indeed, is great, but the workers are few. Therefore beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest.” Since the first-century harvesters were few in number and they had much territory to cover, Jesus could have directed them to reach as many as possible with the good news by sending them out singly. Instead, he “sent them forth by twos.” (Luke 10:1, 2) Why by twos?
2 Those disciples were new and inexperienced. By working together they could learn from and encourage one another. As Solomon put it, “two are better than one.” (Eccl. 4:9, 10) Even after holy spirit was poured out at Pentecost 33 C.E., Paul, Barnabas, and others accompanied fellow believers in the ministry. (Acts 15:35) What a privilege it must have been for some to be trained personally by such capable men!
3 A Fine Training Program: Like its first-century counterpart, the modern Christian congregation is a preaching organization. It also provides us with training. As individuals, our heartfelt desire should be to present the good news as effectively as possible. So that more publishers can improve in their effectiveness, assistance is available.
4 At the Kingdom Ministry School held recently, the Society announced a program for pioneers to assist others in the field ministry. Is there a need for this? Yes, there is. Over one million publishers have been baptized in the past three years, and many of these need training to become more effective in the preaching work. Who can be used to fill that need?
5 Full-time pioneers can help. Jehovah’s organization provides them with much counsel and training. Pioneers receive instruction tailored to their needs in the two-week Pioneer Service School. They also benefit from meetings with the circuit and district overseers, as well as from guidance by the elders. Although not all pioneers are as experienced as Paul and Barnabas were, they have received valuable training, which they are happy to share.
6 Who Will Benefit? Is participation in this program restricted to new publishers or to newly baptized ones? By no means! There are younger ones and older ones who have known the truth for years but would appreciate help in certain features of the ministry. Some do excellent work in placing literature but have difficulty in making return visits or in starting Bible studies. Others may start Bible studies with ease but observe that their students do not progress. What is holding them back? Experienced pioneers may be requested to offer help in these areas. Certain pioneers are effective in cultivating interest, starting Bible studies, and directing new students to the organization. Their experience will be helpful in this new program.
7 Do you find that your schedule does not allow you to support the congregation’s regular meetings for field service as much as you would like? A pioneer may be able to work with you at times when other publishers are not available.
8 Good Cooperation Is Needed: Twice a year, the elders will make arrangements for publishers who are desirous of personal assistance to participate in the Pioneers Assist Others program. If you agree to receive such assistance, get together with the pioneer publisher assigned to help you, work out a practical schedule for service, and stick to it. Keep each appointment. As you work together, observe effective ways of presenting the good news. Analyze why certain approaches are effective. Consider suggestions the pioneer publisher may offer for improving your presentation. As you apply the things learned, your progress in the ministry will become evident, both to you and to others. (See 1 Timothy 4:15.) Work together as often as possible, sharing in all features of the ministry, including informal witnessing but focusing on any particular area in which you need personal assistance.
9 The service overseer is interested in the progress that will be made. Periodically, he will check with the Congregation Book Study conductor to see how you are benefiting from the program. The circuit overseer will likewise help you when he visits the congregation.
10 Jehovah wants his people to be trained and “equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim. 3:17) View the Pioneers Assist Others arrangement as a fine provision to help those who desire to improve their ability to preach the word. If it is your privilege to share in it, do so with gratitude, humility, and joy.

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1950- present PDF Scans of original mailed or literature counter, WTs ?

by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

i think these exist ?

has someone created pdf scans of original mailed or literature counter wts?

or have copies of those pdf's?.

darkspilver

Hey slimboyfat!

good guess

it is true they are often missing - just blank pages in the bound volumes

but I don't really count those as actual 'articles'

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Kingdom Ministry Detailed Service Reports vs Field Service Highlights.

by ToesUp in

why did the watchtower eliminate the detailed service report (last report dec. 2008) and replace it in jan. 2009 with the field service highlights?

(sorry about the formatting).. *** km 12/08 p. 2 august service report *** (source wt library, kingdom ministry 2008 , 2009).

august service report.

darkspilver

steve2: Unfortunately, when I make my own tables with the excel spreadsheet, all formatting is lost when I post the tables or graphs on this forum.

you really need to convert it to a graphic and post that - not sure what you know or anything...

I think the easiest way - if you have no graphics programmes, but are using a PC computer - is first make a free imgur.com account:

1: then set up the view of the excel sheet as you want it, on your computer screen

2: take a 'screen-shot' by pressing the 'prt sc' button (print screen) - this saves the image to your copy/paste function

3: Go to imgur - click on 'new image' - then paste doing a crtl-V

4: In imgur you can do basic editing - just crop image to what you want - click save

5: Either copy/paste edited image into your forum post, or

6: in imgur, right click image with mouse and select 'view image' - then copy the url address - then in your forum post click on the 'image' button and copy the url of the image.

I prefer to use the insert image button on the forum post - I think it works better in terms of uploading etc.

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Kingdom Ministry Detailed Service Reports vs Field Service Highlights.

by ToesUp in

why did the watchtower eliminate the detailed service report (last report dec. 2008) and replace it in jan. 2009 with the field service highlights?

(sorry about the formatting).. *** km 12/08 p. 2 august service report *** (source wt library, kingdom ministry 2008 , 2009).

august service report.

darkspilver

steve2: Any guidance?

always present numbers / tables as a graphic to retain formatting and legibility

does this help?

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Latest son of thunder video on YouTube and the 07 letter to the elders.

by Crazyguy in

in his video he mentions an elders letter sent to germany in 07 , i believe.

in this letter if i'm understanding it correctly the elders are being instructed to send most of any information on hand about child abuse in their congregation to headquarters and any thing else they have at home or in their personal possession to destroy it.

this seams to be the most obvious case of wt telling their elders to destroy information.

darkspilver

FWIW, below is the English translation that the video uses - unedited by me, so it should include all of the grammatical errors aswell:

Dear Brothers
In the past years enemies and apostates have once again tried to discredit Jehovah's faithful servants through false allegations in child abuse. as you know we are always striving to uphold and maintain purity within Jehovah's congregation. Jehovah himself gave us appropriate instructions. in some certain cases, this has led to the application of biblical measures but the otherwise demands of authorities could not be respected. While we usually work closely with the law enforcement agencies it is also our godly obligation to protect the congregations from Satan's attacks. These attacks may also take the form of investigations directed at Jehovah's organization therefore we request that you review your congregation documents to isolate any documentation related to elder's meetings or judicial meetings pertaining to CONCRETE cases or suspicions of child abuse. Also include from your own personal files any pertinent documents. Please submit to us all your documents by February and There shall not be any records or copies maintained in the congregation's record supply nor any personal files. We will then collect these confidential documents for destruction. And maintain no copies of this letter for your congregation record.
With you we seek to continuously do Jehovah's will your brothers

In addition, below is a copy of the German letter as shown in the video:

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Ireland

by Lostandfound in

on another of ,wifibandits posts of letters, one from ibsa london and one from watchtwer ireland with.

wicklow address which we viewed on google earth looks to be a sizeable and modern facility for ireland, question is, am i right that the irish branch closed or is it still operating ?.

darkspilver

Lostndfound: Am I right that the Irish branch closed or is it still operating ?

I believe that the Ireland Branch has been on the market to be sold since around the end of 2011.

The Ireland Branch does not appear to be listed as an office on jw.org

I thought that the Britain Branch in London now managed both parts of Ireland.

Wonder if, as seems the case, the WT have a skeleton workforce in place there? Perhaps due to a taxation issue regarding use of the buildings/property? the principle which was explained by 'the King of all Elders' - John Davies at the post below?

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5673963306876928/_post/5764270362984448