Posts by darkspilver

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Non JW wife/JW husband Christmas tree debate

by spacegirl443 in

jw
friends

first post here and looking for advice and help.

sorry in advance for it being so long :(.

i'm a happily married woman (no kids) who is a non-jw, presbyterian to be precise.

darkspilver

spacegirl443 - yes, that quote is correct.

It is from a Watchtower, and can be found on the JW's CD library

Although it is dealing primarily with children, the principle would apply even when there are no children, because the principle is 'granting the wife her freedom of worship'.

Although the article is old, I believe the principle should still stand today.

Watchtower, December 1, 1960, page 735

Questions From Readers: What Scriptural principles guide in the training of children in homes where one parent is a dedicated Christian witness of Jehovah and the other is not?
According to the Scriptures the husband and father is the head of the home. If he is a dedicated Christian witness of Jehovah it is his responsibility to see that his family receives spiritual as well as material provisions. (1 Tim. 5:8) Even if his wife is an unbeliever, he must see to it that his children receive proper Christian education and training both at home and at the Kingdom Hall, and he should do all that he can to help his wife see the truth of God’s Word. At the same time he ought to grant his wife freedom to worship God her own way, and she may at times insist on taking the children to her place of worship. Granting her freedom of worship may even mean letting her have a Christmas tree in one room of the house during that season, although the believing husband would not let other rooms of the house or its outside be decorated. By thus extending freedom of worship to his wife he shows that he loves her as he loves himself.—Eph. 5:28, 29.

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Serbia: "Parents from hell sentenced the baby to die in a hospital" - Mon, Nov 27, 2017

by darkspilver in

there's been some front page coverage in serbia today (mon, nov 27, 2017).

monster parents condemned baby to death!

- alo!.

darkspilver

The story was splashed across the front page of a major newspaper in Serbia today.

The population of Serbia is around 7 million. The circulation of 'Alo!' is around 56,000

1-in-125 people buy a copy of 'Alo!' - which I believe is only a slightly smaller audience reach to The New York Times on a Sunday in the US.

Plus there's all the family members and work colleagues etc who will read it.

And the cover will be seen by many many more in newspaper shops and kiosks.

Often the story, isn't the actual story, but the way it is told.

The other two websites are hardly 'obscure' - they're websites of print newspapers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alo!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Serbia

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Serbia: "Parents from hell sentenced the baby to die in a hospital" - Mon, Nov 27, 2017

by darkspilver in

there's been some front page coverage in serbia today (mon, nov 27, 2017).

monster parents condemned baby to death!

- alo!.

darkspilver

There's been some front page coverage in Serbia today (Mon, Nov 27, 2017)

Monster Parents Condemned Baby to Death! - Alo!

Parents from hell sentenced the baby to die in a hospital - Telegraf

Parents for religious reasons did not want to allow blood transfusions - Blic

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Higher Education

by Brian J in

just spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.

clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.

their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".

darkspilver

FYI , OUTLINES, translated into English from Spanish, for the current one-day 2018 Kingdom Ministry School for Elders

This is currently taking place over various weekends, see: October 4, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS AND MINISTERIAL SERVANTS Re: Kingdom Ministry School for the 2018 Service Year includes program and links to references/letters used - see below for videos

KMS 2018: Program for Congregation Elders

1: Do You See the Fiery Chariots? (15 min)
2: Jehovah’s Celestial Chariot Is on the Move — Are You? (35 min)
3: Keep Jehovah Before You Constantly (25 min)
4: Humility or Ability — Which Does Jehovah Prefer? (30 min)

BREAK

5: "Continue Applying Yourself... to Teaching" (55 min)
6: "Continue Applying Yourself to... Reading" (55 min)

LUNCH

7: Making Recommendations — A Serious Responsibility: Part 1 (45 min)
8: Making Recommendations — A Serious Responsibility: Part 2 (30 min)
9: Exercise Balance When Evaluating Regular Pioneers (60 min)

BREAK

10: Protecting Minors From Abuse (45 min)
11: Needs in Our Branch Territory (45 min)
12: "Jehovah Was Listening" (30 min)

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Local JW mom among the victims of the Vegas shooter

by TTWSYF in

rhonda lerocque attended the kingdom hall of wilmington, ma.

my brother and his family were part of that cong back in the day, although i don't know if they knew.. a mother, wife, sister, daughter, etc, etc.. please pray for her and all of those involved..

darkspilver

Widower finds comfort in child, faith after Las Vegas shooting (JW Rhonda LeRocque) - Las Vegas Review-Journal, Nov 24, 2017

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Russian Court authorizes seizure of outlawed sect children

by cha ching in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nei6lvfl13q.

interesting development in russia... according to this article on youtube, it appears that children that are subjected to being involved in banned social or religious groups can be removed from their parents..

darkspilver

_Morpheus: Dark, very disingenuous to cite this case as the courts taking a child from parents over jw beliefs.

Not really, because the problem/s was as you stated - therefore, are there actually any other examples? Apart from this one?

But there is a huge diference between short-term 'ward of court' orders made for specific reasons (such as to allow certain medical treatments) with the parent able to remain in contact during that time - and with what the Russians seem to be proposing which is long-term removal of children, with no parental contact.

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Russian Court authorizes seizure of outlawed sect children

by cha ching in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nei6lvfl13q.

interesting development in russia... according to this article on youtube, it appears that children that are subjected to being involved in banned social or religious groups can be removed from their parents..

darkspilver

there's this example:

UK: Boy, 7, taken away from his parents after judge rules he has been damaged by his Jehovah's Witness mother's religious beliefs

A Jehovah's Witness' seven-year-old son has been taken into care because she damaged him with her 'religious beliefs and practices', a family court judge has ruled.
Judge Clifford Bellamy concluded that the boy had suffered 'emotional harm' from his mother and decided he would be better off with foster parents.
May, 2015: Boy, 7, taken away from his parents after judge rules he has been damaged by his Jehovah's Witness mother's religious beliefs

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWFC/HCJ/2015/40.html

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HQ must be paying Google to get the top hits

by nonjwspouse in

i typed into google jehovahs-witness and the first four hits were borg sites.

this site was not even on the first page .

darkspilver

jookbeard: what he suggested was completely contradicted and refuted.

I kinda believe my post above actually proves it.

A search for just the initials jw would appear to be a simple way for the R&F to locate the official WT website - it is the top result - without having opposiing websites, or inserted news items and tweets (which are generally anti-JW) show up in the results.

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HQ must be paying Google to get the top hits

by nonjwspouse in

i typed into google jehovahs-witness and the first four hits were borg sites.

this site was not even on the first page .

darkspilver

jookbeard: but who would type in just jw if they wanted a comprehensive search result

In your own words....

"A brain dead speakers from some assembly or other speak about god blessing their online profile suggesting that if they typed in their name in a certain way opposes web pages wouldn't be displayed?"

And that appears to work for the search jw

And therefore it seems to be contrary to what you said: "it doesn't work like that!"

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HQ must be paying Google to get the top hits

by nonjwspouse in

i typed into google jehovahs-witness and the first four hits were borg sites.

this site was not even on the first page .

darkspilver

jookbeard: it doesn't work like that!

Yes. It can.

jw

Try doing a search on google for the initials jw only

with private search results turned off

the first result is the official JW website, with six indented links under,

ALL the other results below appear to be either unrelated to WT, or pro-WT, until the approx 45th results which is JWFacts.